Street Fighter V General Discussion

[buyacushun]

We can play and ill record and show it to myles on how much fang sucks is viable.

Make sure to edit out any time I don't tech a throw, or block a jump in, or eat a ravager grab, or lose. Cause no way that could be my own fault and not the character's.

 

[@MylesWright_]

Still beats birdie

How? Chain stops all of F.A.N.Gs bad specials, he's free on knockdown and Birdie outdamages him immensely

Would anyone like to play my F.A.N.G that tries to space out normals so they anti air and if I can't I decide to command dash out? I also try to zone and add whatever pressure I can. I wish I got more damage for my efforts but I try to make it work seeing as how you can lose health for just being next to me.

One minute F.A.N.G is good the next minute F.A.N.G needs a list of buffs some of which I wouldn't even give him..

@StormGoddess Add cr.HK either knocking down on the first hit or sucking in so both hits always happen. To F.A.N.G's actual needed changes. I'd actually make super hit better, buff his damage, and either increase posion damage/tick rate overall or at least give some moves a buff. Speed up EX dash or at least increase the invincibility on it. Then maybe reduce/change his hurtboxes on some of his normals. That's my final wishlist for this character. I don't know SF like that and he's got new to SF mechanics. But I think this would help him without pushing him overboard. Especially since he's arguably the weakest right now.

Pick a side

 

[bdizzle2700]

How? Chain stops all of F.A.N.Gs bad specials, he's free on knockdown and Birdie outdamages him immensely



One minute F.A.N.G is good the next minute F.A.N.G needs a list of buffs some of which I wouldn't even give him..



Pick a side

But chain is sooo slow lol and i have to make a read to punish (ugh) otherwise your right. Catching him is annoying. For a guy named birdie fang is much more bird like and annoying to catch

 

[usedcarsalesmang]

games?

 

[bdizzle2700]

games?

Im on if you wanna play

 

[buyacushun]

How? Chain stops all of F.A.N.Gs bad specials, he's free on knockdown and Birdie outdamages him immensely



One minute F.A.N.G is good the next minute F.A.N.G needs a list of buffs some of which I wouldn't even give him..



Pick a side

Now I know something must be wrong with you. I never said F.A.N.G wasn't bad. Actually that he can use some work. Just changes aren't happening until much later. Probably after capcom cup. You're most likely really bad at the game. And that I'm a much better F.A.N.G than you. Solely off of the fact I can actually handle jumping

 

[buyacushun]

Birdie is "secret" top tier. Why aren't more people playing that character??? There is like what two maybe three Birdie's I ever hear about.

 

[ProudDisciple]

Birdie is "secret" top tier. Why aren't more people playing that character??? There is like what two maybe three Birdie's I ever hear about.

Alucard from what I've seen has had the most success with Birdie but he also plays other characters to make up for certain match ups

I can't think of any other top players placing in top 8 that have been consistent that play Birdie

 

[Qwark28]

Anyone from EU on and wants to play

 

[B. Shazzy]

hey guise just bodied qwark in the mirror shit was cash here was the result dont forget to like, subscribe, and share on myspace

 

[usedcarsalesmang]

Im on if you wanna play

I just got back home.
You still on?

 

[Zoidberg747]

Birdie is good but has some really bad MUs like Chun.

 

[buyacushun]

Alucard from what I've seen has had the most success with Birdie but he also plays other characters to make up for certain match ups

I can't think of any other top players placing in top 8 that have been consistent that play Birdie

Alucard, LPN, Mike Ross (even though he doesn't compete, dude is still nice though) and I know some others here and there. Just feels like he's not getting traction like he should be.

Birdie is good but has some really bad MUs like Chun.

What makes that MU really bad?

 

[Zoidberg747]

Alucard, LPN, Mike Ross (even though he doesn't compete, dude is still nice though) and I know some others here and there. Just feels like he's not getting traction like he should be.


What makes that MU really bad?

She outfootsies him really bad, thats all I really know. I haven't played the game for a while now but from what I understand that is the main problem Birdie mains complained of.

 

[@MylesWright_]

Now I know something must be wrong with you. I never said F.A.N.G wasn't bad. Actually that he can use some work. Just changes aren't happening until much later. Probably after capcom cup. You're most likely really bad at the game. And that I'm a much better F.A.N.G than you. Solely off of the fact I can actually handle jumping

Anyone can handle jumping if they sit there looking for it which opens the door to unreactable 15f Ken forward dashes into mix-up. If you happen to jump at the right time when I did something on the ground the round is lost because I lose 1/3 of my health and get dragged to the corner where I have to guess, if I anti-air this jump I get nothing.. How is this fair?

 

[LiangHuBBB]

we need Ibaeki and Mokoto on the scene

 

[buyacushun]

She outfootsies him really bad, thats all I really know. I haven't played the game for a while now but from what I understand that is the main problem Birdie mains complained of.

I can see that. She is the footsie queen Kreygasm Could be one of those matches you gotta really flesh out and then just play right.
Could very well still be in your favor but manageable for Birdie. That will be interesting/hype some months later.

Anyone can handle jumping if they sit there looking for it which opens the door to unreactable 15f Ken forward dashes into mix-up. If you happen to jump at the right time when I did something on the ground the round is lost because I lose 1/3 of my health and get dragged to the corner where I have to guess, if I anti-air this jump I get nothing.. How is this fair?

You should be able to make Ken afraid of dashing at you, so then they get desperate and jump. Pretty much how neutral how works. It's ken, everything F.A.N.G does reaches him before he can reach you. If Ken's are dashing at you free then you failed to establish any horizontal control which is ridiculous with F.A.N.G. Again, you probably need another character man. Sometimes you just got give up and switch. It does not seem like you can handle playing with F.A.N.G.

As for it being fair, SF has always had the principle of being near defenseless in the air. So if you managed to get the jump in you get a combo. If not you just keep taking damage. F.A.N.G can turn AAs into pressure. Lot of characters can. Some get resets, Some can even combo in to super. Just the way SF's always been. You want AA combos? Go play any of the games that allow that. ArcSys fighters, MvC3, MKx, maybe KI. Maybe you need to switch whole games.

 

[@MylesWright_]

You should be able to make Ken afraid of dashing at you, so then they get desperate and jump. Pretty much how neutral how works. It's ken, everything F.A.N.G does reaches him before he can reach you. If Ken's are dashing at you free then you failed to establish any horizontal control which is ridiculous with F.A.N.G. Again, you probably need another character man. Sometimes you just got give up and switch. It does not seem like you can handle playing with F.A.N.G.

As for it being fair, SF has always had the principle of being near defenseless in the air. So if you managed to get the jump in you get a combo. If not you just keep taking damage. F.A.N.G can turn AAs into pressure. Lot of characters can. Some get resets, Some can even combo in to super. Just the way SF's always been. You want AA combos? Go play any of the games that allow that. ArcSys fighters, MvC3, MKx, maybe KI. Maybe you need to switch whole games.

I do not believe you use this character and if you do then you are in denial. There is zero deterrent from jumping or dashing at F.A.N.G because the dmg is low and it doesn't lead to anything. Ken respecting F.A.N.G :s? If a Ken player sees his dash get stuffed by a st.lk or a st.mp into special and suddenly became terrified of F.A.N.G and decided that using a 15f dash was a no no in footsies then they aren't a Ken player.

The neutral is a timebomb with F.A.N.G. There's only so many times you can make the right read before your opponent tags you once and kills you

 

[buyacushun]

I do not believe you use this character and if you do then you are in denial. There is zero deterrent from jumping or dashing at F.A.N.G because the dmg is low and it doesn't lead to anything. Ken respecting F.A.N.G :s? If a Ken player sees his dash get stuffed by a st.lk or a st.mp into special and suddenly became terrified of F.A.N.G and decided that using a 15f dash was a no no in footsies then they aren't a Ken player.

The neutral is a timebomb with F.A.N.G. There's only so many times you can make the right read before your opponent tags you once and kills you

Or he tags me once and I make a read and escape his offense. Seeing as how he has to make at least 3 before I'm about to lose. If all it took was one jump in for a Ken to beat you, you either have been taking hits all round long, or can never get the right read on defense. None which is a F.A.N.G problem. I got no problem constantly showing Ken's that dashing isn't going to help. If you're close enough that dash grab is a problem then you're probably too close to Ken. Heck if you want, you can play me, record the footage and point out where my F.A.N.G is losing because of F.A.N.G. Or maybe better, record yourself using F.A.N.G playing ranked and point out all of the problems.

 

[Helter Skelter]

F.A.N.G is indeed terrible and I honestly think he's the worst in the game but I'm actually bored of reading Myles whine about it. Either play him or don't. He's going to play the way he does until at least December.

I use him as my main character and it is hard when you do absolutely no damage unless you jump in or land a Crush Counter. It's hard when you have an absolutely terrible V-Reversal, V-Skill and V-Trigger. It's hard to chase people who run away with a dash that takes away offensive options because you can't charge.

But it's even harder to consistently read Myles whining about it because it's not going to change anything.

I just play Birdie to cover so fights that F.A.N.G really struggles against.

 

[buyacushun]

F.A.N.G is indeed terrible and I honestly think he's the worst in the game but I'm actually bored of reading Myles whine about it. Either play him or don't. He's going to play the way he does until at least December.

I use him as my main character and it is hard when you do absolutely no damage unless you jump in or land a Crush Counter. It's hard when you have an absolutely terrible V-Reversal, V-Skill and V-Trigger. It's hard to chase people who run away with a dash that takes away offensive options because you can't charge.

But it's even harder to consistently read Myles whining about it because it's not going to change anything.

I just play Birdie to cover so fights that F.A.N.G really struggles against.

This person gets it. Yeah he sucks but you either get better or wait until after Capcom Cup. But I have to disagree about his V stuff sucking. I think he could do more overall poison damage. But his V-skill is nice and fits in to his attacks. His V-trigger can help him tack on damage or keep up with the damage being dealt. His V-reversal is a good escape and I've seen it used to punish stuff. It ain't the best V system but I don't think it's terrible.

 

[JJvercetti]

Matches anyone?

 

[@MylesWright_]

I stopped talking about how bad this character was and somehow I've been baited back into talking about this blank slot on the character select screen again. The character has been released in an unplayable form for the first year, there's nothing else to it

 

[B. Shazzy]

so stop giving myles attention, really, just stop indulging him already

 

[Rip Torn]

F.A.N.G can actually get a decent amount of damage off an anti-air. More than most characters.