Poll Most overrated characters currently?

[BlackJackSnack]

Mileena and sub zero, what a surprise

 

[flappysamyhamy]

I think he is. But i dont think hes broken. The fact you think he has a vortex shows you have no clue.

When did I say he had a vortex lol?? And sd has a vortex in the corner

 

[flappysamyhamy]

And i don't think he's absolutely broken but he's certainly not fair, i've played a good amount with/against him

 

[Alright RyRy]

Not quite, but definitively not top 5.

 

[fr stack]

redneck island is godlike

 

[ShepherdOfFire]

Johnny Cage top 5 ? Yes
Broken ? No

Acidic top 5 ? Yes
Broken ? Yes

 

[Sultani]

But no one is saying Jacqui is top tier after Sonic uses her. The points made by the Mileena community are typically horrid.

Pretty sure most of the mileena community agrees Mileena is super good now. Probably top 5. so.... yeah.

 

[16 Bit]

Also blow me out the ass for this but i think that SD has been stealth nerfed. Tried it like brady does in his thread and theres more pushback now? I've tested on 4-5 characters and 3 different maps? Not working like it did before

Nothing has changed.

 

[M.D.]

The pushback was always there. You just need to input sweep in the first frames you launch the image for it to reset.
Which makes the entire tech not even close or remotely broken compared to the other HTBs in this game which are most so braindead even a gorilla on life support can do.

Overrated? YES

 

[Wigy]

Nothing has changed.

Odd. Too much pushback. Must be goofing it up somehow.

 

[EMPRESS_SunFire]

The pushback was always there. You just need to input sweep in the first frames you launch the image for it to reset.
Which makes the entire tech not even close or remotely broken compared to the other HTBs in this game which are most so braindead even a gorilla on life support can do.

Overrated? YES

The fact that it's not as easy doesn't mean it's not broken lol. Stahp!

 

[MadeOfMetal]

Mind telling me what his vortex is?

a situation where they are forced to block an overhead or a low or a grab.

many characters have these off Normal stagger strings in combo, and off restands and specials.

with johhny you can F3 into SKRC to make him plus 20 or so, and force them to block 1/11 into an OH or the 3 and only the overhead can be D1'd but its questionable that it can be Low profiled after a SKRC with that much advantage.

easily said he cancels into mixup, then restands into another forced mixups. thats the definition of a Vortex

not saying it needs to go, i can still read my opponent and block, but only one of them are punishable, but he can make that low safe with EX specials


Johnny is very strong, and is top 3

but that doesn't mean he needs a nerf, i feel he is no different than many characters out now. you have to guess a mixup. the thing that is different is the other characters that have this vortex potential don't have safe Mixups.

 

[M.D.]

Top 3 no way.
Also the second you do 11 you get armored out since 3 has a gap and oh is slow to come out.
Experienced players who play against Cage a lot will NEVER get caught by 11/1 stagger/grab/f2/113 shenanigans in their lifetime. EVER.

 

[EMPRESS_SunFire]

Top 3 no way.
Also the second you do 11 you get armored out since 3 has a gap and oh is slow to come out.
Experienced players who play against Cage a lot will NEVER get caught by 11/1 stagger/grab/f2/113 shenanigans in their lifetime. EVER.

There's something called staggering. You know... You don't always have to press a button you should try it, maybe you can get a full combo punish on a blocked armored move.

 

[M.D.]

I said stagger in my post as well.
Staggering strings into armor baiting is not A-list specific, most characters can do this easy, it has nothing to do with A-list specific stuff. And it is a legit tactic in this game.

Equo, the argument that 11/1 stagger into 3, f2 and grab causes A-list to somehow bump up the tier list is useless and clueless and irrelevant.
Jax does it better btw.

 

[EMPRESS_SunFire]

I said stagger in my post as well.
Staggering strings into armor baiting is not A-list specific, most characters can do this easy, it has nothing to do with A-list specific stuff. And it is a legit tactic in this game.

Equo, the argument that 11/1 stagger into 3, f2 and grab causes A-list to somehow bump up the tier list is useless and clueless and irrelevant.
Jax does it better btw.

Yeah, you are saying there are players who are never going to get caught by his staggers because you can armor out of everything, which is why I said that you don't always have to press a button, you can block and punish armor attempts.

I'm sorry but this downplaying is ridiculous, Cage is most likely top 3 and guaranteed top 5 honestly. I would love you to tell me what 5 characters do you think are better than Cage

 

[Espio]

Mileena. Seeing people write she 7-3's 70% of the roster is just so outrageous and laughable, even characters that have really good answers for her get labelled as such. Give it time.

 

[xxFalcon Loverxx]

a situation where they are forced to block an overhead or a low or a grab.

many characters have these off Normal stagger strings in combo, and off restands and specials.

with johhny you can F3 into SKRC to make him plus 20 or so, and force them to block 1/11 into an OH or the 3 and only the overhead can be D1'd but its questionable that it can be Low profiled after a SKRC with that much advantage.

easily said he cancels into mixup, then restands into another forced mixups. thats the definition of a Vortex

not saying it needs to go, i can still read my opponent and block, but only one of them are punishable, but he can make that low safe with EX specials


Johnny is very strong, and is top 3

but that doesn't mean he needs a nerf, i feel he is no different than many characters out now. you have to guess a mixup. the thing that is different is the other characters that have this vortex potential don't have safe Mixups.

Johnny's vortex is not guaranteed. F3 skrc iirc is +13 and it does jail into 11.
I know he has restand nutpunch. But that doesn't mean he has a true vortex. 11 does not jail into f2. So 113 is guaranteed. You have to respect it, but it doesn't mean it's completely guaranteed.

Johnny is very strong. I agree, he's very good and is a contender for top 2 or 3 and right now i think he is top 4.
Please correct me if i'm wrong about the "vortex" thing. I'm not that educated about vortexes but if a vortex being guaranteed is not required for it to be defined as a true vortex, then please correct me.

What i think what a vortex is: The opponent is put in a situation where he completely forced to guess between low, OH and grab and is looped back into the exact same situation. Making the opponent have to guess again until he blocks it. E.g Cassie Cage vortex, Smoke Vortex.

Please, don't blow me up if i got the whole "vortex" thing wrong.

 

[Zoidberg747]

The thing about Mileena is she isnt necessarily overrated because she legitimately could be top 3 with good execution and fundamentals. She's just a lot harder to play than people realize. Spamming b12 on block is not a thing at a high level.

I think the most overrated is Liu Kang. I don't think he's that great now.

 

[Baconlord]

mileena is super good and easily top 3 but I think people are overreacting and just throwing out matchup numbers saying she 7-3s and 8-2s the entire cast.

I said stagger in my post as well.
Staggering strings into armor baiting is not A-list specific, most characters can do this easy, it has nothing to do with A-list specific stuff. And it is a legit tactic in this game.

Equo, the argument that 11/1 stagger into 3, f2 and grab causes A-list to somehow bump up the tier list is useless and clueless and irrelevant.
Jax does it better btw.

no one is saying cage is broke because of his 11 stagers.

 

[KHTC Takgillo]

Ronin Takeda

 

[BillStickers]

mileena is super good and easily top 3 but I think people are overreacting and just throwing out matchup numbers saying she 7-3s and 8-2s the entire cast.

no one is saying cage is broke because of his 11 stagers.

I'm saying that.

 

[Solomon Gorondy]

Your missing characters on the list. This Poll is invalid.

 

[Baconlord]

I'm saying that.

I stand corrected

 

[MadeOfMetal]

Johnny's vortex is not guaranteed. F3 skrc iirc is +13 and it does jail into 11.
I know he has restand nutpunch. But that doesn't mean he has a true vortex. 11 does not jail into f2. So 113 is guaranteed. You have to respect it, but it doesn't mean it's completely guaranteed.

Johnny is very strong. I agree, he's very good and is a contender for top 2 or 3 and right now i think he is top 4.
Please correct me if i'm wrong about the "vortex" thing. I'm not that educated about vortexes but if a vortex being guaranteed is not required for it to be defined as a true vortex, then please correct me.

What i think what a vortex is: The opponent is put in a situation where he completely forced to guess between low, OH and grab and is looped back into the exact same situation. Making the opponent have to guess again until he blocks it. E.g Cassie Cage vortex, Smoke Vortex.

Please, don't blow me up if i got the whole "vortex" thing wrong.

i think the correct term for this one is Pseudo Vortex.

i think you are correct. a vortex is defined by your description.

where i failed was i tested it Online in 3frame statick intentional lag. and that does for the F2 to hit, and of course either way they have to eat the Low because there is no opening.

but i think what we are forgetting is you can double cancel!

so a 11 that was forced can be canceled into a F2 and a grab.

so either way its just as strong as a Vortex. except you can armor it, so its a way to force them to use their bars!