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MadeOfMetal

MadeOfMetal

Kenshi Srubtastic,Cyrax, Special Forces Mains
OK
I am a Cyrax Main:

but i dabble with Cyber Sub Zero, and my Brother mained him.

CSZ

has horrible midscreen now, and what he shines from is Corner game.

the problem is he has no viable options in the neutral

i mean he has B2 and B3 to start, but lets face it, they are pretty punishable when you link on Freeze. and lets face it, you can't hit confirm B3 into freeze unless maybe you are Sonicfox.


His F13~Freeze can be blocked on hit now
His B1~Freeze can be blocked on hit now.
also his 1 and 11 into freeze can be blocked when you link on freeze, among other strings.


this is a huge problem.

because he is forced to use unsafe links without hit confirmable frames. this makes him very unsafe, and weakens his openers and options.

I think Cyber sub is in dire need of some buffs.


What i think could be done is:

Freeze could be changed back to 5 frames faster on startup, and then in turn his recovery on that move could be lengthened by 5 frames.

this would keep him from shotgunning freeze over and over. but would give him back his starters.

its not to much to ask.

so lets get this done TYM
 
Invincible Salads

Invincible Salads

Seeker of knowledge
MadeOfMetal said:
OK
I am a Cyrax Main:

but i dabble with Cyber Sub Zero, and my Brother mained him.

CSZ

has horrible midscreen now, and what he shines from is Corner game.

the problem is he has no viable options in the neutral

i mean he has B2 and B3 to start, but lets face it, they are pretty punishable when you link on Freeze. and lets face it, you can't hit confirm B3 into freeze unless maybe you are Sonicfox.


His F13~Freeze can be blocked on hit now
His B1~Freeze can be blocked on hit now.
also his 1 and 11 into freeze can be blocked when you link on freeze, among other strings.


this is a huge problem.

because he is forced to use unsafe links without hit confirmable frames. this makes him very unsafe, and weakens his openers and options.

I think Cyber sub is in dire need of some buffs.


What i think could be done is:

Freeze could be changed back to 5 frames faster on startup, and then in turn his recovery on that move could be lengthened by 5 frames.

this would keep him from shotgunning freeze over and over. but would give him back his starters.

its not to much to ask.

so lets get this done TYM
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make his b3 11 frames again too.
 
Kindred

Kindred

Let Be Be Finale Of Seem
MadeOfMetal said:
OK
I am a Cyrax Main:

but i dabble with Cyber Sub Zero, and my Brother mained him.

CSZ

has horrible midscreen now, and what he shines from is Corner game.

the problem is he has no viable options in the neutral

i mean he has B2 and B3 to start, but lets face it, they are pretty punishable when you link on Freeze. and lets face it, you can't hit confirm B3 into freeze unless maybe you are Sonicfox.


His F13~Freeze can be blocked on hit now
His B1~Freeze can be blocked on hit now.
also his 1 and 11 into freeze can be blocked when you link on freeze, among other strings.


this is a huge problem.

because he is forced to use unsafe links without hit confirmable frames. this makes him very unsafe, and weakens his openers and options.

I think Cyber sub is in dire need of some buffs.


What i think could be done is:

Freeze could be changed back to 5 frames faster on startup, and then in turn his recovery on that move could be lengthened by 5 frames.

this would keep him from shotgunning freeze over and over. but would give him back his starters.

its not to much to ask.

so lets get this done TYM
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I would say his damage scale is insane also. Drone summoning and whiff dive kicks scale the dmg. That's insane. The whole point of getting a drone is to inflict more damage...It makes zero sense. It's the equivalent of having an iceball that freezes you instead of your opponent
 
MadeOfMetal

MadeOfMetal

Kenshi Srubtastic,Cyrax, Special Forces Mains
Kindred said:
I would say his damage scale is insane also. Drone summoning and whiff dive kicks scale the dmg. That's insane. The whole point of getting a drone is to inflict more damage...It makes zero sense. It's the equivalent of having an iceball that freezes you instead of your opponent
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i think his damage scaling is bad, but that was intentional. what wasn't was the nerf to combo starters. don't know whay they took off 5 frames off startup to freeze

what should have been done was:

Freeze

startup: reduce by 5 frames(so combos still work)
Recovery: Add 5 frames of recovery (so he can't shotgun the freeze, which was the intended nerf)

NRS has a bad habbit of handing out dumb nerfs that effect to many other things about characters and variations, because they don't take the time to plan them out.

its like a kid waving a wand around to fix problems.

if you have a bad guy in a crowd of civilians you don't machine gun him down and take out others with him. you simply use a sniper to take out the real problem and keep all others safe.

this is what i feel NRS does on patch day.

they intend to take one thing away: but don't pin point there focus on the problem and end up effecting so much more.

I love this game NRS and am greatful to be able to play this game 20 years later. but feel like my favorite character has no hope. please make one more patch and adjust this. i would be forever greatful

Cyrax needs a small amount of range on F13 to handel Mileena B12 as well.
if Cyrax could get option to use Metered net, that could help alot with full screen setups and combo extending setups. for a bar its worth, and i miss the option to take 3/4ths of thier meter with net.

like

Cyrax reset: could have made net drop a knockdown, which would remove reset and keep combos intact.

Cyber Sub Zero: could have made Freeze have longer recovery and left Startup alone, which would keep him from Shot gunning them freezes and kept his starters intact and combos intact.



we have seen to many nerfs that where universal to address one variation effect the other two in very profound ways, that limit their viability all because NRS does not plan their patches and or does not care as long as the Broken tool is gone.

its the wrong way to address balancing, and this should be brang up to their attention.

@colt

i really hope they revert some things and find others ways to keep them normalized.
 
Kindred

Kindred

Let Be Be Finale Of Seem
MadeOfMetal said:
i think his damage scaling is bad, but that was intentional. what wasn't was the nerf to combo starters. don't know whay they took off 5 frames off startup to freeze

what should have been done was:

Freeze

startup: reduce by 5 frames(so combos still work)
Recovery: Add 5 frames of recovery (so he can't shotgun the freeze, which was the intended nerf)

NRS has a bad habbit of handing out dumb nerfs that effect to many other things about characters and variations, because they don't take the time to plan them out.

its like a kid waving a wand around to fix problems.

if you have a bad guy in a crowd of civilians you don't machine gun him down and take out others with him. you simply use a sniper to take out the real problem and keep all others safe.

this is what i feel NRS does on patch day.

they intend to take one thing away: but don't pin point there focus on the problem and end up effecting so much more.

I love this game NRS and am greatful to be able to play this game 20 years later. but feel like my favorite character has no hope. please make one more patch and adjust this. i would be forever greatful

Cyrax needs a small amount of range on F13 to handel Mileena B12 as well.
if Cyrax could get option to use Metered net, that could help alot with full screen setups and combo extending setups. for a bar its worth, and i miss the option to take 3/4ths of thier meter with net.

like

Cyrax reset: could have made net drop a knockdown, which would remove reset and keep combos intact.

Cyber Sub Zero: could have made Freeze have longer recovery and left Startup alone, which would keep him from Shot gunning them freezes and kept his starters intact and combos intact.



we have seen to many nerfs that where universal to address one variation effect the other two in very profound ways, that limit their viability all because NRS does not plan their patches and or does not care as long as the Broken tool is gone.

its the wrong way to address balancing, and this should be brang up to their attention.

@colt

i really hope they revert some things and find others ways to keep them normalized.
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I agree they do take the proverbial machine gun to a character's move list. And I think that's what happened with their attempt at damage scaling as well. His damage wasnt that high to begin with midscreen. MANY characters whiff moves to build meter during combos (ex. Ermac Mystic whiffs instant air soul blast while the opponent is hanging & still manages to do 40%). What they should have done is just scale is damage overall but to make a move that is suppose to buff your damage (drones), make it worse makes no sense. And if they want to go really far, then make damage scaling occur if someone does a second drone summon in a combo or a second whiff DK. The whiff DK was mainly for the corner anyway and people regularly do F43~CDK twice in a combo.
 
MadeOfMetal

MadeOfMetal

Kenshi Srubtastic,Cyrax, Special Forces Mains
ThePunisher026 said:
@MadeOfMetal @Kindred THANKS SO MUCH, GUYS! These nerfs were totally fucking stupid. Help get this petition out there and fix this
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we need to tag Boon, colt, tyler derek and anyone else we know. and bring this to their attention.

just tagging is 100x's better than a petition. i signed but i feel we should also use other methods.

they fixed Online so i have confidence that they will realize that some salty players who didn't lab it up, complained without warrant. we all knew his dive kicks would get punishable and cyrax reset would be gone, but there was better ways of handling this.


to me its a no brainer that CSZ's freeze should have had recovery adjusted and startup left alone.

and cyrax net should have been changed to a knockdown on drop so his combos wouldn't be demolished.



people on here may not realize, that even though im a Cyrax main, i love all Triborg characters/Variations.

CSZ and smoke are very cool as well. and i don't want this to stay this way.


we need to bring back Triborg
 
MadeOfMetal

MadeOfMetal

Kenshi Srubtastic,Cyrax, Special Forces Mains
xInfra Deadx said:
He's fine.
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get out of here. before we bring the pitchforks

mileena players in my humble opinion do not get to comment on Triborg at all.

you have arguably the best character in the game. please keep to your characters fixes and leave Triborg to the triborg mains, which understand what is happening, and his streagths and weaknesses in ways you can never understand.

we have the love for them, the dedication and the Knowledge of his game.

leave it to use. and we will leave your character to you :)
 
Kindred

Kindred

Let Be Be Finale Of Seem
14K said:
Offtopic dude seriously that made me laught so hard LOL props my friend, i thought it would be hard when engagin on this topic of conversation
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That's what he feels like now, a sluggish piece of shit. I'm hiding my sadness with laughter
 
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ThePunisher026

ThePunisher026

Noob
MadeOfMetal said:
we need to tag Boon, colt, tyler derek and anyone else we know. and bring this to their attention.

just tagging is 100x's better than a petition. i signed but i feel we should also use other methods.

they fixed Online so i have confidence that they will realize that some salty players who didn't lab it up, complained without warrant. we all knew his dive kicks would get punishable and cyrax reset would be gone, but there was better ways of handling this.


to me its a no brainer that CSZ's freeze should have had recovery adjusted and startup left alone.

and cyrax net should have been changed to a knockdown on drop so his combos wouldn't be demolished.



people on here may not realize, that even though im a Cyrax main, i love all Triborg characters/Variations.

CSZ and smoke are very cool as well. and i don't want this to stay this way.


we need to bring back Triborg
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Anything you think will bring it to their attention I'll do. As long as it's logical, I'll do it. Do they come on this site?
 
Apex Kano

Apex Kano

Kano Commando main MKX
MadeOfMetal said:
OK
I am a Cyrax Main:

but i dabble with Cyber Sub Zero, and my Brother mained him.

CSZ

has horrible midscreen now, and what he shines from is Corner game.

the problem is he has no viable options in the neutral

i mean he has B2 and B3 to start, but lets face it, they are pretty punishable when you link on Freeze. and lets face it, you can't hit confirm B3 into freeze unless maybe you are Sonicfox.


His F13~Freeze can be blocked on hit now
His B1~Freeze can be blocked on hit now.
also his 1 and 11 into freeze can be blocked when you link on freeze, among other strings.


this is a huge problem.

because he is forced to use unsafe links without hit confirmable frames. this makes him very unsafe, and weakens his openers and options.

I think Cyber sub is in dire need of some buffs.


What i think could be done is:

Freeze could be changed back to 5 frames faster on startup, and then in turn his recovery on that move could be lengthened by 5 frames.

this would keep him from shotgunning freeze over and over. but would give him back his starters.

its not to much to ask.

so lets get this done TYM
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I actually feared his freeze, but not so much now. I'm pretty sad by this cause the freeze ball made me respect his neutral.
 
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