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buyacushun

Normalize grab immunity.
Why are you theory fighting?
Didn't theory fight. Explained some tools and basic frame data. Not really a theory fight there.

I'm not talking about sweeps. Characters crush with pokes, POKES! like M.Bisons df.hp or several characters st.hks and everyone gets opened up by the speed characters can move across the ground because you can't react to the dashes. F.A.N.G. can anti-air but he also has recovery on his buttons; for a character that loses when he gets touched once there's large amount of risk attached to everything he does in neutral.
If you don't press a button you get dashed on, you do press a button and you get jumped on and the threat of being crush countered or whiff punished is always there because F.A.N.G isn't fortunate enough to have normals with no hurtbox
I also talked about how most heavies were negative. F.A.N.G HP does the same thing you're talking about with Bison. The rest of this complaint is just you complaining about basic neutral. I don't know what to tell you except for some tutorials on neutral game. And a character can play neutral while having a hurtbox on normals.

Look at the way SonicFox plays F.A.N.G which is easily the best direction for the character at the moment. You don't want to zone because you can't anyway and you don't want to play much neutral because you don't get anything out of it. Everyone elses neutral progresses to set-ups or pressure whildy F.A.N.Gs neutral just leads to more neutral. He burns meter for the mix-up and goes in as hard as possible to take out his opponent because he has realised the best way to avoid getting touched and losing with F.A.N.G is to just take out your opponent faster than they can take you out. The safest place for F.A.N.G to be in this game is on top of the opponent at frame advantage
Sonic is an aggressive player so of course he'll play like that. If you think that's what you got to do then do it. Beauty of street fighter is you can play aggressive with one character while I can play patient too. I don't know what you're talking about with the neutral progressing to setups. Not many setups with quick rise besides "meaty or throw" stuff unless you're in the corner. F.A.N.G can do some stuff too.

A lot of your complaints just seems like you need to either get better with the character or play someone else until a patch. I mean complaining about someone fishing for pokes is like complaining you got the read on a repetitive opponent but don't know what to do.
 

@MylesWright_

I'll be back 3ing
Didn't theory fight. Explained some tools and basic frame data. Not really a theory fight there.


I also talked about how most heavies were negative. F.A.N.G HP does the same thing you're talking about with Bison. The rest of this complaint is just you complaining about basic neutral. I don't know what to tell you except for some tutorials on neutral game. And a character can play neutral while having a hurtbox on normals.


Sonic is an aggressive player so of course he'll play like that. If you think that's what you got to do then do it. Beauty of street fighter is you can play aggressive with one character while I can play patient too. I don't know what you're talking about with the neutral progressing to setups. Not many setups with quick rise besides "meaty or throw" stuff unless you're in the corner. F.A.N.G can do some stuff too.

A lot of your complaints just seems like you need to either get better with the character or play someone else until a patch. I mean complaining about someone fishing for pokes is like complaining you got the read on a repetitive opponent but don't know what to do.
My quarrels with the character is that he is ineffective at playing the game. It's bad enough Capcom release an incomplete game but an incomplete character within it is crossing the line. I have never used a character this bad in a game before; the game mechanics, all the characters in it and F.A.N.Gs frame data all work against the character

I'm complaining about the neutral because I am ill-equipped to play the neutral. It is not "fair" that a single read from my opponent is worth 10 of mine, It is not fair that characters like Chun-Li are given tools to completely shutdown F.A.N.G whilst F.A.N.G isn't even given a 3f normal so he has holes in his pressure against them as if Chun-Li needs anymore assistance in beating him and it is not fair that I have tools which become obsolete because a character has 1 meter... 1 meter
 

RM AtK!

aka - RM_AtK !
My quarrels with the character is that he is ineffective at playing the game. It's bad enough Capcom release an incomplete game but an incomplete character within it is crossing the line. I have never used a character this bad in a game before; the game mechanics, all the characters in it and F.A.N.Gs frame data all work against the character

I'm complaining about the neutral because I am ill-equipped to play the neutral. It is not "fair" that a single read from my opponent is worth 10 of mine, It is not fair that characters like Chun-Li are given tools to completely shutdown F.A.N.G whilst F.A.N.G isn't even given a 3f normal so he has holes in his pressure against them as if Chun-Li needs anymore assistance in beating him and it is not fair that I have tools which become obsolete because a character has 1 meter... 1 meter
dood, you're so bad LOL
 

SinkFla

Noob
This may be slightly off topic, but in relation to SFV... any Dallas locals here go to versus arcade on Thursdays? I'm here from out of town and never played in real live tournaments or even exhibition matches but I'm thinking about going tonight. Going alone though so if you see an awkward nervous person that will be me :(
 

EMPRESS_SunFire

Regina George of discord
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I don't know if I'm bad tbh. It's very difficult to tell using a character that loses the second you get touched
Umm? Then i guess every character without a reversal sucks huh? I'm sorry but vortex characters aren't bullshit in this game, they will eat a full NJ combo if they guess wrong, the thing is that every grappler/semi-grappler in this game is pretty slow (Zangief, Birdie) or has a bad neutral (Mika, Laura). They deserve to mix you up if they get in, and as I said... They still have to guess right, otherwise they will eat a full combo and lose their momentum.
 

buyacushun

Normalize grab immunity.
My quarrels with the character is that he is ineffective at playing the game. It's bad enough Capcom release an incomplete game but an incomplete character within it is crossing the line. I have never used a character this bad in a game before; the game mechanics, all the characters in it and F.A.N.Gs frame data all work against the character

I'm complaining about the neutral because I am ill-equipped to play the neutral. It is not "fair" that a single read from my opponent is worth 10 of mine, It is not fair that characters like Chun-Li are given tools to completely shutdown F.A.N.G whilst F.A.N.G isn't even given a 3f normal so he has holes in his pressure against them as if Chun-Li needs anymore assistance in beating him and it is not fair that I have tools which become obsolete because a character has 1 meter... 1 meter
Please go in depth about what you're talking about cause I have absolutely no tools. You can't say "blah blah blah work against F.A.N.G" and not explain anything.
 

Sultan

Kitana, Scorpion
FANG has the highest ceiling in the game. Bar none. Nobody has as much potential. Based on present common knowledge he seems weaker than many, but he's going to keep improving. I'm saying it here: FANG is to SFV what Gen was to SF4:Vanilla - a top tier in hiding, misunderstood by those lacking imagination. Xian plays him for a reason. Sonicfox too...

Bison's got Makoto swag. Awkward neutral, but he's not bad. Can end a round faster that you can blink... Overhyped week 1 for sure. I figure once the game reaches 6-months we'll see him settle into an upper-middle tier placing because he can destroy you fast and he's hard to counter, but he has built in weaknesses that are exploitable. Patient, creative players will win with him though.

Some characters in this game play on paper, they require no imagination: Cammy, Nash, so on... those characters will dominate for a few months. The creative characters: FANG, Bison, Rashid... they'll start blowing people up later into the year I'm sure.
 

EMPRESS_SunFire

Regina George of discord
I also think Bison will fall a bit on the tier list but he is not bad at all!
I think Cammy is going to stay top 5 but I think the "no bad MUs" thing is not true at all, IMO she loses to Ryu and Birdie. (ryu because of his parry, that move is soooo good and only top players are actually using it atm)
I think Mika might go a bit higher, she is like a better version of Laura... I don't see why would they be on the same tier at all.
 

Lord Beef

Death Metal and Trance
This may be slightly off topic, but in relation to SFV... any Dallas locals here go to versus arcade on Thursdays? I'm here from out of town and never played in real live tournaments or even exhibition matches but I'm thinking about going tonight. Going alone though so if you see an awkward nervous person that will be me :(
There will be people there, for sure. Todays are casuals tho. Saturdays is the night of the SFV weekly. MKX is Friday as well :)
 

buyacushun

Normalize grab immunity.
FANG has the highest ceiling in the game. Bar none. Nobody has as much potential. Based on present common knowledge he seems weaker than many, but he's going to keep improving. I'm saying it here: FANG is to SFV what Gen was to SF4:Vanilla - a top tier in hiding, misunderstood by those lacking imagination. Xian plays him for a reason. Sonicfox too...
Xian I can see. But for Sonic it just seems like he's interested in F.A.N.G but also kind of troll-ish. And if he's extra meta than Sonic also picked him cause no one is studying the F.A.N.G MU which allows him to rely more on basic skill and edge out a win. But no way do I see him sticking with F.A.N.G if he plans on actually competing in SFV. Doesn't seem like his kind of character and SFV doesn't seem to be his kind of game.

I also think Bison will fall a bit on the tier list but he is not bad at all!
I think Cammy is going to stay top 5 but I think the "no bad MUs" thing is not true at all, IMO she loses to Ryu and Birdie. (ryu because of his parry, that move is soooo good and only top players are actually using it atm)
I think Mika might go a bit higher, she is like a better version of Laura... I don't see why would they be on the same tier at all.
I've always believed Ryu's parry was going to blow a lot of people up. What some Japanese players are doing and that Four Wude dude in WC did against LPN just shows the possibilities. People were pissy you couldn't just shit all over everything like in 3rd strike. But it basically changes up how you play against Ryu. It creates the same mindset having a 3f DP.
 

THTB

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I also think Bison will fall a bit on the tier list but he is not bad at all!
I think Cammy is going to stay top 5 but I think the "no bad MUs" thing is not true at all, IMO she loses to Ryu and Birdie. (ryu because of his parry, that move is soooo good and only top players are actually using it atm)
I think Mika might go a bit higher, she is like a better version of Laura... I don't see why would they be on the same tier at all.
Parry is nuts. And no one gets it because theory fighting based on numbers. There are so many vital and typically safe options that get blown up because Ryu parries it.
 

buyacushun

Normalize grab immunity.
Guys what the hell am I supposed to do if someone Rage quits against me. I thought we were to report it but I can't figure it out.