General/Other - Cybernetic Kano's Cybernetic Variation Discussion Thread

[Phosferrax]

why does he need an air throw though? I never get that. He has B1 in Commando and cyber, Air ball, D2, upball. He really doesn't need more aa options. Cyber doesn't to do much damage because you're also chipping them down and converting to 25-30% every single time you get a touch because of everything converting to eye laser. I guess they could buff eye laser damage by a percent or 2 then you would be getting more dmg for every single touch/punish

To increase his damage they should increase the damage of the grenade strings by 3 or 4%. This means that his already high corner damage doesn't increase but his low midscreen metered damge increases.

He gets a guaranteed 29% punish metereless, plus all the chip he will then get after he knocks them fullscreen, which is fine. What is kind of sucky is that for a character who relies purely on punishing as a means of getting his damage, he gets a rather low amount for a bar of his best whiff punisher in b1, maxing out at 33% midscreen for a bar.

The bar is almost not worth it in most cases, as it adds about 6-7% to a bnb, but a string into ex knives is about the same in chip damage, is plus on block and gives you about a 3rd of a bar back anyway. In my mind, most of the time it's better using the bar for ex knives then it is using it for bnb's.

 

[SE1Z3]

To increase his damage they should increase the damage of the grenade strings by 3 or 4%. This means that his already high corner damage doesn't increase but his low midscreen metered damge increases.

He gets a guaranteed 29% punish metereless, plus all the chip he will then get after he knocks them fullscreen, which is fine. What is kind of sucky is that for a character who relies purely on punishing as a means of getting his damage, he gets a rather low amount for a bar of his best whiff punisher in b1, maxing out at 33% midscreen for a bar.

The bar is almost not worth it in most cases, as it adds about 6-7% to a bnb, but a string into ex knives is about the same in chip damage, is plus on block and gives you about a 3rd of a bar back anyway. In my mind, most of the time it's better using the bar for ex knives then it is using it for bnb's.

What if I told you that 3% was already there, kinda?

May not be the case for everyone, but once I started using 112xDB1 B232+4MB, RC, B1B1, 112BF3
instead of the super safe optimal version, I have been getting 37% off every punish.

It's harder, certainly riskier, but much less so in the beta and the 4% makes a big difference.

 

[Phosferrax]

What if I told you that 3% was already there, kinda?

May not be the case for everyone, but once I started using 112xDB1 B232+4MB, RC, B1B1, 112BF3
instead of the super safe optimal version, I have been getting 37% off every punish.

It's harder, certainly riskier, but much less so in the beta and the 4% makes a big difference.

That's a 1% damage increase from the 112 bnb I use, so it's not really the damage difference.

 

[MsMiharo]

Up his damage on knives and ex knives tbh. Just by 1-2%. It would add damage to my favorite bnb (112 db1 112 knife - run up throw/b1) while making his zoning scarier. ALSO it will add some % when you convert off of ex knives (sloppy hit confirm/opponent pushing buttons)

 

[Solid]

I wish they would up the damage for his knives too. Trading with Mileena is sad for Kano.

 

[villainous monk]

I'm glad most of agree that there needs to be some sort of buff to his dmg output. Either from his strings or from knifes whatever it maybe a little boost can't hurt him. His b1, F4, his f3 2+4 & b13 are really good and used correctly has yall know is his openings to some serious punishment.

I agree but against the cast who can DO 26-33% midscreen no problem I feel it leaves cyber a little further back from the rest of the cast. Especially when the opponent knows to just crouch block and stay out of sweep range. Just my opinion.

And why I said air throw is because it's his staple move since MK3 for him. Also and again it's just my opinion. His jump. His jump is very floaty in the air. I find it very slow as compared to scorp, sub, jax or Cassie. His very good air ball which is now even better and his very nice jnpb1 is great too but I was just saying to me it's just not enough. Especially against a kotal or Fera Torr and even a jax and Aftershock Tremor, Tanya and a few others for that matter regadless of where cyber is postioned on the screen or how the match up is.

Again i say this is my opion but i find their normals and specials seem to take a priority over b1, air ball, up ball and D2. Again I'm just putting it out there as a general point of view and a lil make a wish on a star type of thing because from MK3 till now it's always has been a viable option to use and reassess your game plan and put the Fear of God of your opponent to not do that again and gives you great spacing and the ability to also use with our juggles and what not.

Just my opinion.

 

[Gofer_MK_]

Hey dudes, is there any reason to use Ex Eye Laser? It has any other properties than more DMG and armor?

 

[MsMiharo]

Hey dudes, is there any reason to use Ex Eye Laser? It has any other properties than more DMG and armor?

Nope

 

[Gofer_MK_]

Nope

And here I was sitting for two days and thinking about how to use it.xD

 

[DFC]

Hey dudes, is there any reason to use Ex Eye Laser? It has any other properties than more DMG and armor?

Want to stuff armor? B1xxEXDB1

 

[Red Hood MKX]

Guys i got some tech and want some cyber kano mains opinion on it. its similar to bone shapper shinnok standing reset for me i do 112×db1 112×bf4 112×df2(knife toss) basically instead kano ball as a ender its knife toss it does 32 percent and almost guarantees a down 4 because knife toss is 11 on hit. so you have opions after this usally i been going in for throughs 12 percent added to 32 is 44 percent thats good damage for a cybernetic kano if people try to counter the through then i just go back in for a b1 string to catch crouchers. Thats it its another opions for a variation that isnt that strong but fun to play.

 

[Red Hood MKX]

Guys i got some tech and want some cyber kano mains opinion on it. its similar to bone shapper shinnok standing reset for me i do 112×db1 112×bf4 112×df2(knife toss) basically instead kano ball as a ender its knife toss it does 32 percent and almost guarantees a down 4 because knife toss is 11 on hit. so you have opions after this usally i been going in for throughs 12 percent added to 32 is 44 percent thats good damage for a cybernetic kano if people try to counter the through then i just go back in for a b1 string to catch crouchers. Thats it its another opions for a variation that isnt that strong but fun to play.

Sorry about the spelling guys at work

 

[Red Hood MKX]

Sorry about the spelling guys at work

And i forgot mention you have to meter burn the kano ball and cancel it for the combo extender so its a 32 percent one bar standing reset would like people to test it out

 

[bdizzle2700]

And i forgot mention you have to meter burn the kano ball and cancel it for the combo extender so its a 32 percent one bar standing reset would like people to test it out

Ill look at it in like half hour

 

[MsMiharo]

Guys i got some tech and want some cyber kano mains opinion on it. its similar to bone shapper shinnok standing reset for me i do 112×db1 112×bf4 112×df2(knife toss) basically instead kano ball as a ender its knife toss it does 32 percent and almost guarantees a down 4 because knife toss is 11 on hit. so you have opions after this usally i been going in for throughs 12 percent added to 32 is 44 percent thats good damage for a cybernetic kano if people try to counter the through then i just go back in for a b1 string to catch crouchers. Thats it its another opions for a variation that isnt that strong but fun to play.

It's known, I use it quite a lot run up grab/b1 is a solid mix up after it. When I say solid I mean in terms of cyber lol

 

[Red Hood MKX]

It's known, I use it quite a lot run up grab/b1 is a solid mix up after it. When I say solid I mean in terms of cyber lol

Ok thanks bro dont know it was known tech

 

[MsMiharo]

Ok thanks bro dont know it was known tech

Don't matter, it's worth repeating.

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

Throw vs string is still a 50/50

 

[Red Hood MKX]

Throw vs string is still a 50/50

so is the 32 percent restand bnb viable should keep using it or just go for max damage ???

 

[MsMiharo]

so is the 32 percent restand bnb viable should keep using it or just go for max damage ???

Depends on MU. If you want em full screen send them away. If you can take them on close or if you have bar to burn or life deficit to make up for, keep them close.

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

so is the 32 percent restand bnb viable should keep using it or just go for max damage ???

It certainly has its uses. I would use it

 

[FlappyDaniel]

all of the restand stuff becomes much more effective once you have OH IABall guys remember. It just adds more of a guess. you can dash up and instant air ball or B3 or B1 or grab. man I want beta so bad lol.

 

[Red Hood MKX]

Hell yeah ill definitely be using it more with the new overhead kano ball preciate the advice guys

 

[Apex Kano]

I feel the Up eye lazer is even more faster? I can successfully use it and stay safe not being punish. Does it feel like Cyber damage been buff? Or could it be the OH Kano ball making Cyber stronger?

 

[Phosferrax]

I just now tried to think of the characters that Cybernetic has an advantage over and I came up with:

HT Jacqui
Lackey F/T
Dualist Liu Kang

And that is all lmao. I am unsure about some of Jax's and D'Vorah's variations, or even SG Jacqui but those 3 are all I can think of that Cyber does beat in my opinion.

Any other opinions?

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