The Zoning Academy (Mortal Kombat X Edition)

[legion666]

Quan Chi is life, Quan Chi is love!

 

[gibster13]

No matter what no one can beat Quans zoning

 

[M2Dave]

@General M2Dave we're due for a Top 5 Zoners update post patch.

Also, how do you think Gunslinger Erron fares in the zoning department after the buffs? Messing around with him in the lab some and he seems to have some keep out potential and projectile mixups that can actually work now.

I have to test Gunslinger, but the following is my initial reaction.

1. Summoner Quan Chi
2. Aftershock Tremor
3. Hish-Qu-Ten Predator
4. Royal Storm Kitana
5. Bone Shaper Shinnok

 

[gibster13]

I have to test Gunslinger, but the following is my initial reaction.

1. Summoner Quan Chi
2. Aftershock Tremor
3. Hish-Qu-Ten Predator
4. Royal Storm Kitana
5. Bone Shaper Shinnok

I more or less agree... Not sure on aftershock can you explain please

 

[legion666]

I have to test Gunslinger, but the following is my initial reaction.

1. Summoner Quan Chi
2. Aftershock Tremor
3. Hish-Qu-Ten Predator
4. Royal Storm Kitana
5. Bone Shaper Shinnok

I agree with the most characters on the list but why Aftershock Tremor?!? I didn't have a chance to check him after patch, is his zoning significantly better?

 

[gibster13]

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I agree with the most characters on the list but why Aftershock Tremor?!? I didn't have a chance to check him after patch, is his zoning significantly better?

bf4 is crazy tbf

 

[SaltShaker]

2. Aftershock Tremor

Woa. I have some labbing to do.

 

[M2Dave]

I agree with the most characters on the list but why Aftershock Tremor?!? I didn't have a chance to check him after patch, is his zoning significantly better?

Rolling stone has 10 less recovery frames, knocks down, and guarantees EX ground pulse.

Aerial earth shake is safer on block by 5 frames.

Rock drop has not changed and is still good for anti-zoning.

I could be mistaken, but Tremor's zoning is very good in a non-traditional way.

 

[gibster13]

Rolling stone has 10 less recovery frames, knocks down, and guarantees EX ground pulse.

Aerial earth shake is safer on block by 5 frames.

Rock drop has not changed and is still good for anti-zoning.

I could be mistaken, but Tremor's zoning is very good in a non-traditional way.

I agree but personally I think HQT is slightly better because there are less gaps to move in the zoning. You do you go about zoning with tremor? I'm not too sure on how to keep them out as long as I can with summoner or HQT. I agree it's not traditional at all

 

[haketh]

Rolling stone has 10 less recovery frames, knocks down, and guarantees EX ground pulse.

Aerial earth shake is safer on block by 5 frames.

Rock drop has not changed and is still good for anti-zoning.

I could be mistaken, but Tremor's zoning is very good in a non-traditional way.

Take a look at Metallic, the recovery buffs seemed pretty large from what DJT was showing. The reward for hitting a Rolling Lava is nuts, 31% unbreakable.

 

[gibster13]

@General M2Dave I believe that pyromancers fireballs are quicker

 

[legion666]

Quan's d1 is -9 on block and +3 on hit after the hotfix. I am ok with negative frames on block but +3 on hit. What do you do with +3 as Quan Chi. +6 was fine, you could at least throw without getting poked.

 

[jokey77]

Quan's d1 is -9 on block and +3 on hit after the hotfix. I am ok with negative frames on block but +3 on hit. What do you do with +3 as Quan Chi. +6 was fine, you could at least throw without getting poked.

Throwing still seems to be the best option as throws usually beat pokes. Most characters can't beat a 10f throw after being -3. Besides the hit advantage of throws has been slightly buffed, iirc.

 

[xInfra Deadx]

Quan's d1 is -9 on block and +3 on hit after the hotfix. I am ok with negative frames on block but +3 on hit. What do you do with +3 as Quan Chi. +6 was fine, you could at least throw without getting poked.

 

[thlityoursloat]

Quan's d1 is -9 on block and +3 on hit after the hotfix. I am ok with negative frames on block but +3 on hit. What do you do with +3 as Quan Chi. +6 was fine, you could at least throw without getting poked.

It's ok, you still have the best 50/50s and vortex in the game.

 

[gibster13]

Top 5 zoners (imo)

1)Quan chi (summoner)
2)Predator (Hish-Qu-Ten)
3)Shinnok (Bone shaper)
4)Kitana (Royal storm)
5)Liu Kang (flame fist)

opinions ?

 

[gibster13]

New list

1)summoner quan
2) HQT predator
3)cybernetic Kano
4)aftershock tremor
5)Liu / kitana

 

[SaltShaker]

New list

1)summoner quan
2) HQT predator
3)cybernetic Kano
4)aftershock tremor
5)Liu / kitana

Get that bum Kano off the list lol. To me I think these 3 significantly can do it better than the cast.

1) Summoner Quan Chi
2) HQT Predator
3) Mournful Kitana

In the process of learning Mournful myself. Gonna use her next week at my local. If I had to add a 4th and 5th I'd go with Liu and Tremor.

Where do you think it stands in 2016 @General M2Dave?

 

[gibster13]

Get that bum Kano off the list lol. To me I think these 3 significantly can do it better than the cast.

1) Summoner Quan Chi
2) HQT Predator
3) Mournful Kitana

In the process of learning Mournful myself. Gonna use her next week at my local. If I had to add a 4th and 5th I'd go with Liu and Tremor.

Where do you think it stands in 2016 @General M2Dave?

Based on experience Kano is there. That is all

 

[KingKhrystopher]

Is Kitana really that good of a zoner compared to the rest of the cast? I learned how to IAF last night, but opponents still just duck them, and the iafs seem to come out just as fast as ground fans, since you have to jump and do it.

 

[gibster13]

Kitana is a 6/10 zoner in Royal storm or assassin. This is because the fans don't do any damage wen they are ducked. This means that zoning someone out with her is pretty useless unless gaining meter, have a life lead or knowing it will work agaisnt a specific opponent (match up).

Her IAF are faster then normal and are insane at covering air space but these to can be ducked.

Mornful is where the zoning is at. It is insane. I would like if glaive done 6% like Kanos knives in cybernetic to compete in zoning wars but I doubt this will happen ;-;

All my opinions

 

[thlityoursloat]

Kano's Cyber knives do 5% and are way more negative.

 

[M2Dave]

Get that bum Kano off the list lol. To me I think these 3 significantly can do it better than the cast.

1) Summoner Quan Chi
2) HQT Predator
3) Mournful Kitana

In the process of learning Mournful myself. Gonna use her next week at my local. If I had to add a 4th and 5th I'd go with Liu and Tremor.

Where do you think it stands in 2016 @General M2Dave?

Summoner Quan Chi and HQT Predator are the two best zoning characters. Then zoning becomes match up dependent and is a toss up between Royal Storm Kitana, Bone Shaper Shinnok, and Aftershock / Crystalline Tremor.

Cybernetic Kano's and Mournful Kitana's zoning does very poor damage. They cannot be top 5. Cybernetic Kano, in particular, is similar to Cyborg. Nonexistent offense and mediocre damage output.

I should repeat that zoning in this game is crippled by the run button. Unless the zoning leads to offense or lots of damage, it is irrelevant at a high level.

 

[gibster13]

Summoner Quan Chi and HQT Predator are the two best zoning characters. Then zoning becomes match up dependent and is a toss up between Royal Storm Kitana, Bone Shaper Shinnok, and Aftershock / Crystalline Tremor.

Cybernetic Kano's and Mournful Kitana's zoning does very poor damage. They cannot be top 5. Cybernetic Kano, in particular, is similar to Cyborg. Nonexistent offense and mediocre damage output.

I should repeat that zoning in this game is crippled by the run button. Unless the zoning leads to offense or lots of damage, it is irrelevant at a high level.

Very true. I was basing my cybernetic placing on how well I have done with it. Perhaps it's just the opponents I'm against ?

M2dave, anyone your looking forward to in kp2? perhaps an insane zoner might hopefully come out. You never know I guess

 

[thlityoursloat]

Very true. I was basing my cybernetic placing on how well I have done with it. Perhaps it's just the opponents I'm against ?

M2dave, anyone your looking forward to in kp2? perhaps an insane zoner might hopefully come out. You never know I guess

Your opponents just don't know the matchup. Cybernetic knives on block are so negative that most characters get a free counter projectile from full screen (they're -11 point black lol they got nerfed).