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General/Other - Cryomancer How to Improve Cryomancer

ColdSpine

"I wore those colors before you"
another buff thread? sure let me jump right in just for kicks!

d2 needs to be 10 frames
njp needs to have a weapon animation just like erron`s outlaw
f112 builds more meter
d1 with a dagger to extend range


lets go !
 

God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
He's not useless he's quite a powerhouse

However he's largely outclassed by Reptile, Cassie and Jax
 

Goat-City

Banned
I need to say something else on this subject. Cryomancer clearly is not viable at all. Half the things he does are done better by MOS Ermac, and he's not even that good either. Both of them are completely outdone by Warlock Quan Chi as well, who is perfect in my opinion. He's got way better zoning, a way better 50/50 game, the same damage, way better meter building, equally good normals, and he counter zones just as well or better. I highlighted all of Cryo's problems, none of which anyone has disagreed with yet, and gave logical solutions to them. The only reason you guys are up playing so much is because Grandmaster exists. If it wasn't for GM, Sub Zero would never see the light of day in tournaments because Cryo is nothing but a walking 50/50, and a bad one at that. Give him a fast mid hitting projectile for meter gain and space control, a variation specific d1, make his EX hammer more useful than just a combo extender, and make ice ball connect with b33. These are just common sense suggestions, so I don't see why there's a need for such aggressive up playing. I mean, anyone who thinks any of this would overpower him is out of their mind, so the backlash is ridiculous. I also like the ideas of speeding up his d2 and giving him an NJP somewhat like Outlaw Erron Black's, but I don't think they're necessary so I won't ask for them. I'm only asking for the bare minimum of what he needs to be both viable and more fun. Anyone who wants to say he's fine has to also say Ermac and Raiden are fine, which they aren't.
 
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boba_buster

Noob saibot
He's not rushdown or a pressure character , he's a punisher and that's it , if it wasn't for the damage he would be considered as weak as unbreakable
 

Goat-City

Banned
Your comparing cryo to zoners , cryo is not a zoner at all
That's the problem you moron, he has no zoning and he needs it for the reasons I've given. Even Kung Lao has a zoning tool, but does he need it? Hell no. Cryo needs the meter gain and some other form of offense than punishable 50/50s.
 

boba_buster

Noob saibot
But he's not a zoner kid , if you want to zone pick another character , if you don't like cryo don't use him , ur asking the completely change a character from the way he was designed , that sounds pretty moronic to me
 

Goat-City

Banned
He's not rushdown or a pressure character , he's a punisher and that's it , if it wasn't for the damage he would be considered as weak as unbreakable
He can be a punisher, but that's not enough to make him viable. HQT is a zoning character with pressure, Kung Lao is a pressure character with zoning and counter zoning, Kobu Tanya is a pressure character with zoning, etc. Cryo is not as weak as Unbreakable, but Unbreakable is the bottom of the barrel, so that's not saying anything. Cryo is not tournament viable in his current state, that is undisputable, and I'm telling you what he needs to change that.
 

boba_buster

Noob saibot
You have no idea what your talking about , nothing you could give him within reason would make him anymore tournament viable
 

Goat-City

Banned
But he's not a zoner kid , if you want to zone pick another character , if you don't like cryo don't use him , ur asking the completely change a character from the way he was designed , that sounds pretty moronic to me
Your posts are unfathomably stupid and toxic. You have no idea what you're talking about. Giving him a projectile does not make him a zoner, it's giving him a zoning tool which is what he needs to be viable. You haven't given a single reason why he doesn't need it or what he should get instead to fix his problems of having no meter gain while being meter dependant for his damage and has no reliable way to open the opponent up. Ignored.
 

Goat-City

Banned
He's not useless he's quite a powerhouse

However he's largely outclassed by Reptile, Cassie and Jax
He's A- at best, but closer to B+. The buffs I listed would at least get him to A tier I'm sure, which is somewhat tournament viable but not enough to win it all by himself. Unbreakable is Jason tier, absolutely worthless, but you can still win with him obviously. The point is that Cryo is not viable because of the problems I listed. No good way of safely opening you up, extremely meter dependent with no meter gain, and pokes are too slow and short range for his play style. He needs a poke that is both long range and fast.
 

boba_buster

Noob saibot
Cryo could def stand to have a few small buffs but quit trying to make him out to be a completely different character
 

boba_buster

Noob saibot
My point is that's not the buff he needs , I can't remember the last time I was losing with cryo and thought " if only I had another projectile!"
 

God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
My point is that's not the buff he needs , I can't remember the last time I was losing with cryo and thought " if only I had another projectile!"
That kinda happens quite often he has no meter building or projectile game at range, it definitely kinda feels like a big hole in the characters game, if he had something similar to Kanos knives but made of ice he'd be nice
 

Goat-City

Banned
That kinda happens quite often he has no meter building or projectile game at range, it definitely kinda feels like a big hole in the characters game, if he had something similar to Kanos knives but made of ice he'd be nice
Exactly. Finally someone with some common sense.
 

Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
I think you're looking at it from the wrong angle. The way you were describing Cryomancer's problems appears you lack an understanding of how the character is played. You're not supposed to run in yolo 50/50s, your supposed to punish and whiff punish for big damage utilizing the strengths that Sub-Zero does have.
 

Qwark28

Joker waiting room
Yes its not as good as grandmaster because grandmaster instant wins the neutral
What it does have over grand master though is consistent damage every where
Grand master lives for the corner
If he can't maintain the corner he struggles (not saying its hard to get and keep the corner)
I'm just saying cryo is more well rounded across the stage

And ex hammer is NOT a mix up tool
Its your combo extender and hard read for armour
You already have b2 and b3
Yes b2 is borderline reactable
But you have to be focused 100% on that which means you're doing absolutely nothing but watching for it
Play cryo as a defensive footsie character and he does super well
Run in yolo 5050s works at the lower levels, but any decent player will punish your run in
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