Does He/She Need It?

[B. Shazzy]

Tanya is at least TOP5 confirmed, not being retarded differs from not being good at a fighting games. be humble.

Confirmed by who? Come on, man.

I've talked to Deg, he doesn't think she's top 5 either and this was months ago. Really it doesn't matter what anybody thinks right now about Tanya. I'm sure a couple months down after people hit the lab and realize this character isn't top 5 material. While you're there go ahead and peep chatacters like like Liu Kang who does what Tanya does, but a million times better. Stop living in prepatch salt.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

Make Predator's godlike pokes exclusive to the Warrior variation. HQT and Hunter are not stupidly OP, and there's finally a reason to play Warrior.

Its not like hunters been tearing it up. HQT is the only variation really used already. If all that stuff went to write predator would stop being played imo.

 

[SaSSolino]

Confirmed by who? Come on, man.

I've talked to Deg, he doesn't think she's top 5 either and this was months ago. Really it doesn't matter what anybody thinks right now about Tanya. I'm sure a couple months down after people hit the lab and realize this character isn't top 5 material. While you're there go ahead and peep chatacters like like Liu Kang who does what Tanya does, but a million times better. Stop living in prepatch salt.

I did lab her actually and I think she has everything, but I think that you don't want to listen to reason so this is pointless, I'm out.

 

[B. Shazzy]

I did lab her actually and I think she has everything, but I think that you don't want to listen to reason so this is pointless, I'm out.

In your expert Tanya opinion, how do I open somebody up if they always block Tanya low, high, then low? The covers all her options.

I'm gonna break it down for you step by step.

 

[RunwayMafia]

Does THOTnya really need t be broke? @RunwayMafia

She is FAR from broke. She is, however, a scrub killer.

 

[Diego de Souza Costa]

does Kenshi needs to be that bad, to prove the point that he was "broken" in MK9 ?!..... NO. then buff this character !!!... jeeeesus christ....

 

[just_2swift]

Might as well answer this one myself. Does Imposter need to steal moves that do unblockable damage to Goro and Ferra/Torr? No he doesn't is the correct answer.

Imposter needs to steal ex ice ball from subzero

 

[Agilaz]

does Kenshi needs to be that bad, to prove the point that he was "broken" in MK9 ?!..... NO. then buff this character !!!... jeeeesus christ....

"What's that? Oh yeah sure, we'll buff Quan Chi." - NRS

 

[SaSSolino]

In your expert Tanya opinion, how do I open somebody up if they always block Tanya low, high, then low? The covers all her options.

I'm gonna break it down for you step by step.

besides the fact that if people respect you low -> high -> low so mutch, you can still use the 50/50s in ur special moves (the low even juggles), tanya is a pressure charater, she does her thing building a crazy high ammount of meter and doing hella chip. tanya doesn't even want to open that mutch, if she did, tanya players would mb the last tonfa for a combo, but they don't.

ps: don't threat people like they are retarded just because they disagree with you, once again: be humble.

 

[Wetdoba]

Does everyone's overhead and low combo starters really have to be grab immune when they are fully on the ground? Why is this still a thing

 

[SaltShaker]

Why do you think Cyber immediately losses if the opponent gets in? This conversation started with me stating that he has a fast, safe armored move...
And 3-4% is the chip you're taking for blocking a single EX knife.

If you block 3 knives, walk in, you've taken like 5% damage and are close. 3-4% blocking EX Knives is in line with MKX Blocked EX Projectiles. Hardly game breaking. Try blocking Pyro after shroud or Liu after Buffed Fist, both meterless.

The only thing I quoted that you said was that Cyber has some of the best zoning, which is false. It's only good if people don't know how to get in. Liu has better, Kitana has better, QC has better, HQT, has better, etc. The only "zoning" character that has inferior zoning is Kenshi, which isn't saying much.

In a thread of "he needs it", Cyber "needs" that safe Armor'd non combo reversal because he literally has no Mixups in a game where 95% of the cast have amazing pressure and/or 50/50s, weak zoning in a game where multiple characters get 30% zoning conversions, and he has extremely limited options offensively.

 

[Jer]

Just don't dude, not worth it. TYM.

You right you right

 

[Daemantalo]

What ever Quan Chi stuff was in this thread. It can all be answered with the following three words.

he needs it

 

[StealthyMuffin]

If you block 3 knives, walk in, you've taken like 5% damage and are close. 3-4% blocking EX Knives is in line with MKX Blocked EX Projectiles. Hardly game breaking. Try blocking Pyro after shroud or Liu after Buffed Fist, both meterless.

The only thing I quoted that you said was that Cyber has some of the best zoning, which is false. It's only good if people don't know how to get in. Liu has better, Kitana has better, QC has better, HQT, has better, etc. The only "zoning" character that has inferior zoning is Kenshi, which isn't saying much.

In a thread of "he needs it", Cyber "needs" that safe Armor'd non combo reversal because he literally has no Mixups in a game where 95% of the cast have amazing pressure and/or 50/50s, weak zoning in a game where multiple characters get 30% zoning conversions, and he has extremely limited options offensively.

Damn. You're right. :[

 

[SaltShaker]

Damn. You're right. :[

Haha not the response you normally see on TYM lol. #RespectPoints

 

[themagiccan2]

Scorpion: Does this game really need these one-liner intros?
Sub-Zero: It adds personality to the characters!
Scorpion: But everyone skips them ANYWAY!
FIGHT

 

[AeWhole]

This will turn into some fun arguments and maybe some actual reason.
Name a tool a character ALREADY has and explain why they need or DONT need it.

Quan Chi: Low bat
Does he really need it? I mean he already has 50/50s, so does he need hard to blockables on top of that? And he has MB runes that are plus on block. He can keep the bat to cover his negative frames and gaps. But does it really need to be low?

I actually hope that's all they do to Summoner/Quan in general. I don't think he needs the low bat. B3 will seriously be a huge problem if they do that though. It's his only low option up close that does decent meterless damage. Unless we can see some D3xxTrance but again goodbye cannon in the glass cannon (At least midscreen). Summoner will be shit unless someone fails to block in stance 24/7 and space properly. The only playable variation if they get rid of low bat and don't touch his B3 range will be Warlock/Sorcerer.

Then again if the bat stays low they need to increase the time that it registers two hits as just one overhead or one low. If you go into training and do low bat and B2 too fast it registers as mid. They need to increase how slow you have to do it by some frames. That way it's just a really fast low into overhead string (A little faster than Jason's low into overhead) but, still very blockable and if they fuck up the timing it's just a mid.

While we are on the subject why are some characters just really slow for no real reason. Like I think Jax, Kenshi, and Jason have some really useless strings because they are so slow. Are there others?

 

[Big Pampering]

Is this the new MKX complaints thread?

 

[getoverhere--->]

Kitana: f+2 as an overhead
She needs it especially with her damage nerf, she's now normalized so you might as well give her the same tool as the rest of the cast especially since f+2 is one of her worst starters

Yesss

 

[errormacro7]

Kitana: f+2 as an overhead
She needs it especially with her damage nerf, she's now normalized so you might as well give her the same tool as the rest of the cast especially since f+2 is one of her worst starters

No.

 

[B. Shazzy]

besides the fact that if people respect you low -> high -> low so mutch, you can still use the 50/50s in ur special moves (the low even juggles), tanya is a pressure charater, she does her thing building a crazy high ammount of meter and doing hella chip. tanya doesn't even want to open that mutch, if she did, tanya players would mb the last tonfa for a combo, but they don't.

ps: don't threat people like they are retarded just because they disagree with you, once again: be humble.

Ok, so first of all, of course I want my openent to get opened up. That's how characters get damage.

The 5050 of her special moves is a gimmick at best. The damage Tanya potentially gets ( low 20s for a bar) off it compared to the damage she would get punished (40% + optimally ) for is huge. Additionally, the situations in which these special attacks can be considered reliable mixups don't even exist. B1 is an uncancellable mid, overhead always. B3 is always a low. Everything else highs or mids. Where's the mixup there? B3, yolo unsafe special 50-50 I have to spend meter on to get trash damage out of? Who does that? Does that sound like top 5 material? Give me a break.

Ya, she builds good meter on block. Do you understand what this character would be if she didn't? She needs meter just to stay safe while pressuring you with her no mixups which we've already established she lacks outside of ghetto yolo specials.

I'm sorry you don't like blocking no- mixups for more than 5 secs and then having to guess armor after hella negative frames (except not really just crossover jump avoid the guess completely) which I'll repeat is a mixup literally every character with armor ever has. The only variable difference between all characters and hers is being not completely punishable. Yet she's still one of the only characters who actually needs armor to open people up for trash damage reliably or just to simply stay safe. Needs it. Such a top 5 character.

Leave the Kobu varitation alone, you guys already murdered her other variations. To answer Laos Bae's question - yes. She needs all of it.

 

[Kingshootahz]

Sonya blade 33.33/33.33 also known as 50/50 on top of 50/50 military stance or more popular "that shitty move" ...she needs it, idk why but I feel without she would be more meh than she is in covert ops.

 

[WidowPuppy]

Jacqui's D4 is 13 frames but...

She needs it. Because if it were 9-11 frames, she would be viab... I mean... she would be too good.

She is just currently underused in tournament because she is easily Top 3 and the competitors have too much pride to take the easy route and use her for the win.

 

[SaSSolino]

Ok, so first of all, of course I want my openent to get opened up. That's how characters get damage.

The 5050 of her special moves is a gimmick at best. The damage Tanya potentially gets ( low 20s for a bar) off it compared to the damage she would get punished (40% + optimally ) for is huge. Additionally, the situations in which these special attacks can be considered reliable mixups don't even exist. B1 is an uncancellable mid, overhead always. B3 is always a low. Everything else highs or mids. Where's the mixup there? B3, yolo unsafe special 50-50 I have to spend meter on to get trash damage out of? Who does that? Does that sound like top 5 material? Give me a break.

Ya, she builds good meter on block. Do you understand what this character would be if she didn't? She needs meter just to stay safe while pressuring you with her no mixups which we've already established she lacks outside of ghetto yolo specials.

I'm sorry you don't like blocking no- mixups for more than 5 secs and then having to guess armor after hella negative frames (except not really just crossover jump avoid the guess completely) which I'll repeat is a mixup literally every character with armor ever has. The only variable difference between all characters and hers is being not completely punishable. Yet she's still one of the only characters who actually needs armor to open people up for trash damage reliably or just to simply stay safe. Needs it. Such a top 5 character.

Leave the Kobu varitation alone, you guys already murdered her other variations. To answer Laos Bae's question - yes. She needs all of it.

if your opponent always blocks low->high->low, b3xxEXLowSpecial into combo is an almost garanteed option, of course you can't abuse it. you are talking like 50/50s are the only way to open up an opponent, do you know how good Lao is without them? Tanya's just the same, just catch your opponent trying to get out of your pressure. and if she didn't build all the meter she would still be fine because she has cancels and a huge number of ways to finishe her tonfa thing, most of them safe even if guessed right. and you also have to consider that she has crazy good air game, 50/50 reversals, armor break and the best mobility in the game by far. she is top5 material indeed.

 

[IrishMantis]

Kung Laos jump 2 especially a jump back 2 it's basically either fuck work I'll jump 2 from half screen to get my pressure go AA I dare you! Or what you wanna play Footsies or close space dawg nah I'll just jump back 2 and catch you try to play the space game

Ggs no re's