General/Other - Shinnok Shinnok General Discussion Thread

[Tony at Home]

aaaand I'm probably picking up this character based on what I'm seeing in the Cowboy v King match now..

 

[Youphemism]

aaaand I'm probably picking up this character based on what I'm seeing in the Cowboy v King match now..

You disgust me.

Unless you're by some miracle actually picking up Necromancer.

 

[usedcarsalesmang]

Woundcowboy the god

 

[ArmedCalf]

I mean... I was rooting for Forever King lol. I missed it though, heard it was close! Did he use Bone Shaper?

 

[CL_ZBFD]

Missed it too, heard it was BS vs HQT.

 

[darthdragonking]

How do i beat that air teleport move and what kombos and moves are highly punishible

 

[Genei Jin]

How do i beat that air teleport move and what kombos and moves are highly punishible

uppercut him out of it or meet him in the air and njp.

f224 is highly punishable if not cancelled into.

non meter burned hell sparks are also highly punishable especially if the 3rd hit whiffs.

 

[Invincible Salads]

where can i watch the match footage?

 

[darthdragonking]

OTE="Genei Jin, post: 1905386, member: 39717"]uppercut him out of it or meet him in the air and njp.

f224 is highly punishable if not cancelled into.

non meter burned hell sparks are also highly punishable especially if the 3rd hit whiffs.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the tip

 

[True Grave]

All Necromancers and All Shinnoks need to see this http://testyourmight.com/threads/guaranteed-ex-hand-squash-setup-and-almost-guaranteed-hand-squash-setup.56225/

 

[usedcarsalesmang]

Nice to know that Shinnok is still top 3.

HA

 

[ArmedCalf]

Nice to know that Shinnok is still top 3.

HA

Yeah man I really don't get that. I have him as like 6 or 7 right now. However I suppose Bone Shaper still has great mix-ups, solid pressure, good conversions. That YOMI list also threw me for a loop.

 

[Genei Jin]

If you think about it, what weaknesses does bone shaper shinnok have?

 

[Youphemism]

This is the problem, people are still treating characters like they have only one variation and that's stupid. Predator as a character is better than Shinnok as a character.

 

[MrSunshine]

Shinnok is still very good but not S tier. He is A+

 

[Bad Genez]

Shinnok is still very good but not S tier. He is A+

Elaborate?

 

[MrSunshine]

Elaborate?

he lost his guaranteed pressure after a restand or meter burned hell sparks unless the other opponent has no meter, low meterless damage, hell Sparks can be back dashed on 3rd hit, low scoop into any string can be fuzzy guarded ( there may be more if anyone else wants to downplay some more) but he's still very viable In my opinion

 

[SaSSolino]

Shinnok is viable, but imo to be A+ like you guys say his DarkBeam should be -8 on block. now he is still very good against chars that can't punish it, but he needs the meter of the blocked Darkbeam.

 

[Bad Genez]

he lost his guaranteed pressure after a restand or meter burned hell sparks unless the other opponent has no meter, low meterless damage, hell Sparks can be back dashed on 3rd hit, low scoop into any string can be fuzzy guarded ( there may be more if anyone else wants to downplay some more) but he's still very viable In my opinion

All of that has been around since pre-patch save for the Dark Beam nerf. I know that hurt him bad, but everything else you listed was around when everyone was screaming broken tier. Dark Beam really dropped him a whole tier?

 

[MrSunshine]

All of that has been around since pre-patch save for the Dark Beam nerf. I know that hurt him bad, but everything else you listed was around when everyone was screaming broken tier. Dark Beam really dropped him a whole tier?

What? Pre patch as in the recent one or the huge one that nerfed shinnok? most people still aren't playing the match right who are putting him in S tier. His damage, zoning, and pressure have been nerfed considerably since the last big patch

 

[usedcarsalesmang]

Having safe darkbeam is what made him top 2 pre patch.

It was virtually advantage on block vs most of the cast. Gave him meter, pseudo pressure, and even more respect in the footsie game.
Huge deal to have that taken away. Heck it was -2 on when crouch blocked.

Hate to bring up Injustice, but I'd compare it to IGAU when Black Adam had his low lightning "Normalized"- (the main reason he dropped out of high tier.)

 

[xInfra Deadx]

Having safe darkbeam is what made him top 2 pre patch.

It was virtually advantage on block vs most of the cast. Gave him meter, pseudo pressure, and even more respect in the footsie game.
Huge deal to have that taken away. Heck it was -2 on when crouch blocked.

Hate to bring up Injustice, but I'd compare it to IGAU when Black Adam had his low lightning "Normalized"- (the main reason he dropped out of high tier.)

Not to mention, the godlike spacing after a blocked projectile.

 

[usedcarsalesmang]

Not to mention, the godlike spacing after a blocked projectile.

those were the days...

 

[usedcarsalesmang]

A list of characters who can't really punish F41D2xxDB because they suffer from
stubby limb syndrome or slowness. Good matchup knowledge to have.
Let me know if I'm wrong or missing anything.

Tempest Lao
Ermac
Balanced Kenshi
Mileena
Takeda (Shirai Ryu)
Tremor

 

[True Grave]

those were the days...

The days were when Imposter Shinnok could do 46% damage all in pure chip because of +24...maybe one day again.