I didn't mean anything bad by that. I'm a huge fan of JDCR and that style of play (even though he uses the characters I hate lol) but it is just disheartening to see that with the movement changes, this style is dead.
It's certainly not a BAD game. I'm definitely not arguing that. If you like Tekken, its another surely solid game in the Tekken franchise. The one thing that's kind of a game changer is the ability to armor between gaps in strings where previously you could only maybe d+1, but thats another story.
Ahhh shit! You're E-Sports now, lol. Just through about 15 minutes of you bopping people, watchin it now. Josie looks like so much fun.
Haha yea she is great. Very fun character to use and keeps you engaged with her playstyle and execution. Love her more than I liked Bruce at this point. I'll definitely be co-main'ing her.
Think I'm gonna join ya, she looks sick. Does WR12 [might be WR21, it's been a while] still allow you to pick up? And does DB 3+4 is it? Holy shit it's been too long, haha. Does it still CH for a pick up too? Would you say she's as strong as Bruce even missing the B2 terror, does that canceling ability make up for that. Is that her CH game, from the dash cancels? Does she have Bruce's 3 piece 10 punish?
Yea no prob. Paul is about as "unchanged" as any character in the game. So unchanged that 5 minutes of dusting off the rust and all Paul's will be right back at home. His "armor move" is the 2nd best in the game behind Hwo, coming out as a hammer'd pop up that can start combos or begin new ones at the wall. He hits very hard, on the higher end of damage in the cast.
Haha I may have to consider this because I'm getting absolutely nothing done in my free time lately. -.-
Haha told you. Feel most Marduk users that saw him got pretty hype. My boy used him a lot this weekend so he'll be in the write up.
Fucking beautiful.
It's like he was made for me.
He's like a hyper Marduk with a teensy bit of True Ogre sprinkled on top. Some very important things were lost in the conversation but what he has is more than enough.
I was emotionally hurt by this replacement at first, but after seeing that move-set in its entirety I've come away sexually satisfied and ready to demolish people with my new main once the console port drops.
That is true. I remember Tekken 4, and at the time people played it without much issue except for balance, but now in history it's remembered as trash. I think part of that is because T5 DR was so incredible and more of a "back to the roots" game so it destroyed T4's legacy.
Hell yea man. We won't regret Josie. She's right below the S-tier Shaheen Kazuya types imo. A "clearly top 10 but not top 5" character. Quick pokes, good frames, amazing mixups and frame traps, strong pressure, good low pokes, high damage, Great Wall carry, good wall game, etc. Very strong girl here. Bold enough to say she's as good or likely better than my main Bryan.
No DB3+4 that I know lol, but D3+4 is a kick and B3+4 is the new sway stance. F3+4 is like the BF4 (was that it?) Bruce pop up knee, but this one is faster with more range, but only stuns on counter hit. Before I felt no B2 was bad, but now I don't think it matters. She's for sure as good as Bruce, and he was very good. The cancels make up for it in groves. The pressure is real, and what I learned after that vid is cancel into stance 4 is a frame trap (one of quite a few). They have to respect it or they get kicked pretty far or wall splat, and it's safe. Once they start respecting it you can use all her amazing cancel mixups, which are plus on hit and combos on CH, with OH/Low options. On strings like 123~ or 4~ they work the best. You can not use the move and cancel the cancel (lol) with FF into the ducking dash for the heavy Low kick or the mid pop up. Or cancel into backsway. Or a couple of strings that kick low, you can cancel into a knee that combos on regular hit and has no gap if they try to poke through. Her cancels are incredibly good though. Yea I've been using it religiously again now, 143 10F punish, still really good.Haha they were in awe of my Josie learning/experimenting skills. They'd have a heart attack if they saw my Josie now.
Thanks for all those details Salt, much appreciated. "He's not human" lol. They were all getting hype for the dude in the blue shirt, lol. I was gettin hype in my room like "Let's go Salt!" Too funny... I'm finishing it up right now, you're undefeated so far, and I'm at like 27 min...Hell yea man. We won't regret Josie. She's right below the S-tier Shaheen Kazuya types imo. A "clearly top 10 but not top 5" character. Quick pokes, good frames, amazing mixups and frame traps, strong pressure, good low pokes, high damage, Great Wall carry, good wall game, etc. Very strong girl here. Bold enough to say she's as good or likely better than my main Bryan.
WR21 picks up still, but the timing is a lot stricter now. I dropped it a bazillion times in that vid, but now I get it about 3/4 times. You pick up for about 35%, low 40% if you get a wall finish for a 13F WR21.
The oki basically goes to this now.
-If they lay you can ground spike them with a move, but the hit stun will allow them to get up. Then you can pressure.
-If they instant techroll it's damn near impossible to do anything, but you can pressure their stand. Doing the usually Tekken oki to tech rolls whiff 9/10 times now leaving them to the side of you to full combo you. Pressure their tech roll restand.
-They can wake up with a low, that will hit you unless you did certain moves to blow it up.
-They can WU with the mid kick and risk hitting your or getting blown up.
-No more of the back roll so you can't catch rolls anymore.
-Some stuff I can't remember.
Haha they were in awe of my Josie learning/experimenting skills. They'd have a heart attack if they saw my Josie now.
Yea no doubt, anytime.
Yea his new moves are good. I agree on the side step changes benefitting him. I would be mentally sidestepping him before the match even started in the past lol. Now that's dead and you're forced to fight in front of him much more than before. He's gonna be really good in this one.
Well I have some bad news...
I won't say Josie's execution is on a MKX Jax level, or a Devil Jin level of mastery, but it's higher than more of the cast members. A lot of the newer cast members are either significantly easier to use or to execute combos except for Josie and Kazumi. Josie has some of her combos like WR21 or F1+2 that are amazing tools that lead to good damage, but also have tight windows. Not 1F link tight, but definitely a small frame window. Her F Knee starter on CH is pretty tight too, as is WR3. Her CH combo out of stance, 15F generic DF2 Pop up, and hopkick have big easy windows to combo though. It's tough enough that it'll take a little practice to nail it 10/10 times with those, but 100% possible after, where as guys like Claudio takes a combo starter list off the internet and 15 minutes to do all his 40% BnB's and implement his gameplan. -.-
Great thanks man!!! Nice to hear Jack is seeing the best of days so far. How did you figure out good pokes and combos? Is there any form of a practice mode or command list? Will this write up include the whole cast?
Jack is so good it's crazy! Best iteration yet. Fear console nerfs type of good lol.
Yea I can picture Jack getting a damage reduction by console time. Right now he hits the hardest in the game. He'll probably still do that, but not as high as he's doing it now.I remember watching some gameplay somewhere on youtube where a dude was abusing a 2 hit 40-45% damage counter hit combo with Jack.
Shit was disgusting.
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Hype? I'm more than hype right now.
Which sucks, because I usually try to put off the hype until I know release(or someway for me to access) is very close, so I don't end up starving for the game at hand for a prolonged period of time.
I wish I didn't start looking through gameplay on youtube(even the shitty stuff), got me beyond hungry for this game.
Fiend'n
If T4 was released in the modern era, where devs actually balance patch, etc, it would've been godlike. I know a lot of traditionalists back on Zaibatsu in the day hated it, but it was different and interesting, and the designers actually took a TON of risks all at once. I felt it actually paid off an made an interesting game, but I know a bunch of people didnt like it. But at least they took the risk. DR was spectacular, and without a doubt my favorite Tekken of all time, but they never evolved past it after they returned to the roots.
Yea I was one of those guys back on TZ bashing T4 haha. I remember playing it out of loyalty, but disliking it to a certain extent, and after a while it just "grew" on me. They did make some huge changes though, some good looking back, but some I still would have disliked. Stuff like walls/wall tech, different level size (that parking garage stage was godlike), position shift were great elements. Stuff like the ground slope stages were horrible. You're right though, I wouldn't mind if they try some new things along those lines that add to the gameplay experience.
