You also don't see any top-tier Catwomen in any other scene either. Bit is the only one out of many at that level that stuck with the character when the others said "Fuck this bitch! She ain't braindead like everyone else!"Still, a community letting a char with only 3 winning matchups and 15 losing matchups get top 8 consistently is pretty pathetic I think. You don't see that in any other community as far as I know.
Yeah, some SM players think she wins because they can't play exactly how they want. Change up your strategy, and you're back on top.Cat dashes can be baited and full combo punished with Dab shenanigans: jumping wildly, whiffing normals, full screen breath, etc.
For sure, but a dedicated player for a low tier character doesn't make the character not low tier.You also don't see any top-tier Catwomen in any other scene either. Bit is the only one out of many at that level that stuck with the character when the others said "Fuck this bitch! She ain't braindead like everyone else!"
Curious as to the Raven numbers - I (who am I?) always had it in CW's favour. Raven's limited oki game (basically an ambigious jump-in after knockdown) can be avoided by Catwoman and Raven has no ability to escape CW's oki game outside of blocking correctly (all of Raven's offensive wake-up can be stuffed before they hit). In addition, Raven has no armour outside of the slow f3/b3 and Catwoman hits pretty quickly, while MB Cat Dash makes a mockery of Raven's slow linear single-hit zoning (yes it requires meter - so do all of Raven's combos).
I always felt completely on the back-foot when playing against CW as no matter how patient and/or unpredictable I was, Catwoman got in pretty easily and then starting doing Catwoman related activities
I dream of a day when NW is not upplayed anymore.
Today is not that day.
Am i allowed to dispute the ares mu number? on the grounds that me and bit have never played :] I know i felt it was even with astronout but it turns out he was a fraud.
Me neither, he got off of cw for some reason even though i did better vs his bg and kf lol. I know that its hard for ares to deal with her pressure because of the push back, ares advancing normals are so slow, but when he scores knockdowns it can be a nightmare for her.It's not a MU I play often. Some theory crafting there. So sure.
Me neither, he got off of cw for some reason even though i did better vs his bg and kf lol. I know that its hard for ares to deal with her pressure because of the push back, ares advancing normals are so slow, but when he scores knockdowns it can be a nightmare for her.
You yourself called her top 10 and now you're calling her low tier and saying we need to level up against her? Make up my mind prz!For sure, but a dedicated player for a low tier character doesn't make the character not low tier.
Well let's be honest, she doesn't even have as many winning matches as CYBORG (Grundy, Frost, Green Lantern, and Joker among possibly others,) and probably loses less too (I'm not sure Cyborg has 15 losing matchups) yet the community is good enough at the Cyborg matchup to make sure he has never gotten top 8.You yourself called her top 10 and now you're calling her low tier and saying we need to level up against her? Make up my mind prz!
That pretty much sums up the matchup right there. His footsie tools get taken out of the equation because of it. It's painfully annoying to deal with.I just figure she out footsies him pretty bad since his backwalk speed is awful and his normals kind of suck. She even goes under b+1 with b+3 easily. Plus I don't know what he's supposed to do about her jumping back. Who knows though.
@4x4lo8o actually plays this MU pretty good on Ares' end. He was blocking my usual shenanigans. He said he actually had MU exp against her.
She's so awesome.Despite lots of characters beating Catwoman, if you don't know any of the things listed above, you probably won't be able to win.
@GGA 16 Bit
What would you say are K.Frost's advantages in the match-up?
IMO, it really boils down to Frost's superior defensive tools allowing her to halt CW's momentum / force her to hang herself effectively. Outside of that one advantage, it feels like their tools are pretty evenly matched.
NW's footsies don't matter if you can duck my mids, brah. As for CW WUs, Staff spin gets beat by Catscratch.If you think the NW number is wrong make your case. Escrima is a bill but staff is a problem. He out footsies her. He regulates jump ins. He destroys her on knockdown. What's your argument?
wait Borg beats frost? Is it because she can't check IANBs because her ground thingy doesn't hit in the air?Well let's be honest, she doesn't even have as many winning matches as CYBORG (Grundy, Frost, Green Lantern, and Joker among possibly others,) and probably loses less too (I'm not sure Cyborg has 15 losing matchups) yet the community is good enough at the Cyborg matchup to make sure he has never gotten top 8.
Considering we can shut Catwoman down even harder, we really should all learn the matchup better and actually do it.
Kudos to Bit though for winning with a char that is literally worse than Cyborg, that takes a lot of skill.
I've played this with Nikolass, our local catwoman, it's 5-5. One of the most annoying things in this matchup is how her catdash will go through j2 due to the whiff and then return to trip guard him. You basically take a chance to mix her up with crossups.Joker is one of the few I wouldn't take to heart. It's one of my least played MU. It's probably the least useful number I posted outside Grundy. However my theory is he has a good anti-air, he can actually play footsies with her with sweep and crowbar, and he can jump in because her d+2 sucks. She can blow up his jump ins with jump back 2 but he can punish that with gun. Then he should be able to play his oki game well against her shite wakeups. I don't really see a reason it shouldn't be a close MU.