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Question How is Nightwing bad in the current meta?

HeroesNZ

HeroesNZ

Baconlord's Billionaire Sugar Daddy
Killphil said:
Anyone care to elaborate on the stupidity that is his staff spin? It does good chip, builds meter, regular is -6 on block so you get away with it for free, mb gives enough advantage to use his MID hitting standing 1 into ANOTHER staff spin, it advances forward, the hitbox goes behind him so you can't cross him up. It's ridiculous.
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It's not really. The amount of meter it builds is fair - You get 5 MBs for 4 bars. MB is +18 but the only mixup after it is whether you're feeling patient enough to block the next Standing 1 or not. It has a large amount of recovery frames making it super easy to whiff punish, and it's dangerous to wakeup with Staff Spin because if the opponent's expecting it they can jump over you, making it whiff and allowing for an easy punish.
 
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EMPR_MURK

Warrior
In response to the 4 characters listed, NW bodies bane, beats aqua, but goes even with flash and mmh in my opinion imo.

Now as far as NW goes, the skill of NW depends on the player. I say this because NW has the tools to compete amongst the best but how he is used with the tools provided depends on the player. That means knowing the proper stance to use in certain mus and using stance cancels properly. STOP playing staff against every character smh. Start applying stance cancels in pressure (not only going from escrima to staff). I could keep going but my fellow dicks get what im saying hopefully...

Btw ive found some affective tech that might b useful in some of our "bad" mus
 
Shaazzyam

Shaazzyam

undefeated online evo champion
JDM said:
It's a hard matchup if you play it correctly. IMO it's more leaning towards 7-3 GL but you really need to know the MU. Nightwing has a lot of gimmicks that are not safe and can be poked out of. I doubt you know how to play the MU and you're spouting numbers off like you do.
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It's not worse than 4-6
Killphil said:
Anyone care to elaborate on the stupidity that is his staff spin? It does good chip, builds meter, regular is -6 on block so you get away with it for free, mb gives enough advantage to use his MID hitting standing 1 into ANOTHER staff spin, it advances forward, the hitbox goes behind him so you can't cross him up. It's ridiculous.

Edit: It's also not clashable.
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Don't get much off raw Staff spin. You can neutral jump it. Of course MB is going to be unclashable.
 
oP Twist

oP Twist

Unknown Nightwing
EMPR_MURK said:
In response to the 4 characters listed, NW bodies bane, beats aqua, but goes even with flash and mmh in my opinion imo.

Now as far as NW goes, the skill of NW depends on the player. I say this because NW has the tools to compete amongst the best but how he is used with the tools provided depends on the player. That means knowing the proper stance to use in certain mus and using stance cancels properly. STOP playing staff against every character smh. Start applying stance cancels in pressure (not only going from escrima to staff). I could keep going but my fellow dicks get what im saying hopefully...

Btw ive found some affective tech that might b useful in some of our "bad" mus
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Lets hope your tech isnt outzoning sinestro or 1f1 4 flip kick :DOGE
 
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EMPR_MURK

Warrior
As the game grows, you guys will grow to realize that NWs worse mu is cyborg. Cyborg is the only character who presents a 7-3 or worse for NW
 
Dja_Homies

Dja_Homies

Kaz...... I'm already a Fiddle.
JDM said:
It's a hard matchup if you play it correctly. IMO it's more leaning towards 7-3 GL but you really need to know the MU. Nightwing has a lot of gimmicks that are not safe and can be poked out of. I doubt you know how to play the MU and you're spouting numbers off like you do.
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I'd say its 4-6 at worst from all the gls I have played. I did pretty well against you. Inb4 "it's online so you are a irrelevant nightwing" :DOGE
 
oP Twist

oP Twist

Unknown Nightwing
EMPR_MURK said:
As the game grows, you guys will grow to realize that NWs worse mu is cyborg. Cyborg is the only character who presents a 7-3 or worse for NW
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I dont see much of a problem with that mu as long as you get a stage that suits nw well and u can get in and outfootsie cyborg free, i think zatanna or superman are his worst or maybe sin
 
HeroesNZ

HeroesNZ

Baconlord's Billionaire Sugar Daddy
oP Twist said:
I dont see much of a problem with that mu as long as you get a stage that suits nw well and u can get in and outfootsie cyborg free, i think zatanna or superman are his worst or maybe sin
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There's not much you can do versus Cyborg's IANB. And yeah I agree, Zatanna is hell
 
HeroesNZ

HeroesNZ

Baconlord's Billionaire Sugar Daddy
oP Twist said:
Block one dash block one dash bait out grapple and punish :)
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You can't block and dash because the frequency at which they're being shot is too quick. You have to walk step by step until he gets near the corner and decides to grapple away.
 
oP Twist

oP Twist

Unknown Nightwing
AK L0rdoftheFLY said:
you can't dash in between good ianb. you have to walk forward. ianb and ground nb are so quick that you can't really even move. you have to guess and jump. Good luck baiting grapple when you spent 65 seconds getting him to the corner and your down a bar and a half.
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Well guess what kabal was the same in mk so deal wothout it and hardly anybody uses cyborg only relaxed state and k7 lol
 
AK L0rdoftheFLY

AK L0rdoftheFLY

I hatelove this game
@Youphemism
I always loved the old "change the quote" trick. It shared my own opinion while cleverly making it seem as if the other person is the one who said it.

Actually my Grundy isn't half bad. He was my first main and I still play him often. That MU is just shitty...really shitty
 
JDM

JDM

Warrior
Dja_Homies said:
I'd say its 4-6 at worst from all the gls I have played. I did pretty well against you. Inb4 "it's online so you are a irrelevant nightwing" :DOGE
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Dude, NW is WAY harder to fight online than offline. It's a lot harder to poke out of his stuff that I can offline. No making any excuses. What's your XBL/PSN??
 
Youphemism

Youphemism

Gunslinger since pre patch (sh/out to The Farmer)
AK L0rdoftheFLY said:
@Youphemism
I always loved the old "change the quote" trick. It shared my own opinion while cleverly making it seem as if the other person is the one who said it.

Actually my Grundy isn't half bad. He was my first main and I still play him often. That MU is just shitty...really shitty
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I know your Grundy isn't horrid, you played a match with him against my Wonder Woman remember? :) I was just kidding man!

What MU are you referring to, Grundy vs NW or....?
 
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