What is the difference between pre-patch Black Adam and Martian Manhunter?

[Derpin Errday]

I wonder why and when Dave gets these urges to start shit on here.

 

[Immortal]

When i see those M2Fool threads i already think this about him:

Seriously his threads only make shitstorms... and if anybody should apologize, it is this fool for so many things that i lost count months ago.

 

[bananasheriff]

Your mom

 

[Big Pampering]

Just make overhead tele drop punishable on block. Reduce the meter building a little and more cold down on trait and he will still be top 3 char.

Right now he makes the game look pretty scrubby and nullifies footsies.

lets not get carried away

 

[RIF]

@KingHippo

Just want to clarify one point. @m2dave was not responsible for the Sinestro/Lex/Joker/Cyborg pushblock nerf. Others on this board were,but he was mostly if not completely silent during that particular witch hunt.

 

[sinosleep]

Agreed. It's like people don't know that regular orbs are NOT active right when they come out. It's like a thread needs to be made explaining this. It then needs to get front paged.

I'm not saying no one knows as there are others here who do. But it just seems like it's not common knowledge, which it should be.

That only helps with midrange or long orbs though close orbs are what really fuck people up. How many times did sonic fox or Darth arma lose momentum cause they dashed past a close orb to apply pressure only to have it pop mid combo. If you jump a close orb you get anti aired if you turtle you get zoned if you dash it and don't get a ton of carry it pops in the middle of your combo and fuks you any way. People were disrespecting orbs a lot more at etc but it didn't matter cause the orbs that can be effectively ignored aren't the ones that ruin your day anyway.

 

[KingHippo]

@KingHippo

Just want to clarify one point. @m2dave was not responsible for the Sinestro/Lex/Joker/Cyborg pushblock nerf. Others on this board were,but he was mostly it completely silent on that particular witch hunt.

That's true, but I don't think anyone was responsible for that besides the game's lead designer.

 

[SaltShaker]

When I watch MMH play, sometimes I sit there and wonder why do I still play Raven? Why don't I just switch to MMH?

I mean i'm already use to manual's with Raven's trait pillars, but he's a better zoner, better anti-zoner, much better footsies, much better teleport, much better interactables, hell much better everything. Do I stick with Raven due to character loyalty? Fear of starting new? I have no idea.

I don't know about you guys and your characters, but every day I see or play a MMH I feel more and more foolish for not just picking him up too. I have absolutely no logical reason to stick with Raven when I could, no, should, be using MMH...

 

[iShinnok03]

When I watch MMH play, sometimes I sit there and wonder why do I still play Raven? Why don't I just switch to MMH?

I mean i'm already use to manual's with Raven's trait pillars, but he's a better zoner, better anti-zoner, much better footsies, much better teleport, much better interactables, hell much better everything. Do I stick with Raven due to character loyalty? Fear of starting new? I have no idea.

I don't know about you guys and your characters, but every day I see or play a MMH I feel more and more foolish for not just picking him up too. I have absolutely no logical reason to stick with Raven when I could, no, should, be using MMH...

There's no reason to play anyone other than MMH aside from character loyalty or some kind of props fishing.

 

[RIF]

That's true, but I don't think anyone was responsible for that besides the game's lead designer.

The amount of tears in that thread caused quite an uproar. One that I am certain was noticed by the lead designers.

I think we can agree that this particular forum has an inordinate amount of sway on the developers of this game.

 

[THTB]

When I watch MMH play, sometimes I sit there and wonder why do I still play Raven? Why don't I just switch to MMH?

I mean i'm already use to manual's with Raven's trait pillars, but he's a better zoner, better anti-zoner, much better footsies, much better teleport, much better interactables, hell much better everything. Do I stick with Raven due to character loyalty? Fear of starting new? I have no idea.

I don't know about you guys and your characters, but every day I see or play a MMH I feel more and more foolish for not just picking him up too. I have absolutely no logical reason to stick with Raven when I could, no, should, be using MMH...

Because you want to play Raven, perhaps?

Seriously, if we all jumped ship to just the top tiers in MK9, by the time the game died EVERYONE would be playing either Kabal or Kenshi exclusively. That's not how things work, though. Not everyone wants to use a top tier, whether they are a low tier hero, don't give a fuck and play who they like, or just have some specific issues with said character in which they don't do a certain something that completely fits into their playstyle (I'm not an execution wizard...no matter how much I practice, strict execution is something I just can't get down, so characters that specifically require it tend to be characters I pass up...that includes MMH since he has instant air teleports, and Kabal, actually).

If you want to just pick a top tier, that's fine. If you don't, that's fine too.

 

[KingHippo]

The amount of tears in that thread caused quite an uproar. One that I am certain was noticed by the lead designers.

I think we can agree that this particular forum has an inordinate amount of sway on the developers of this game.

Absolutely not. Paulo Garcia is an insane man with an insane plan, and I think Scorpion is the only time that the game was truly affected by people chanting broken en masse.

 

[ETC AdmiralAugustus]

@General M2Dave, do you prefer turkey or ham on your sandwiches?

 

[juicepouch]

The difference is FUCK THESE CHARACTERS GIVE GRUNDY UNCLASHABLE TRAIT BACK

 

[Scoot Magee]

I think the game would have been better without DLC characters and stage interactables.

 

[TakeAChance]

Edit: Made a post, but remembered I'm done talking about fighting games with people on this site...it hurts my brain too much. Carry on people...carry on.

Much love.

Nothing to see here...back to the pokemon thread my friend.

 

[pumpkincream]

Absolutely not. Paulo Garcia is an insane man with an insane plan, and I think Scorpion is the only time that the game was truly affected by people chanting broken en masse.

sorry but @RIF is right. the community cried their eye balls out with over a 1000 page reply and players were goign around calling it a "game killer" and blah blah which escalated quicker than the scorpion scare. then all of a sudden a magic hotfix appears a week or two later nerfing sinestro and affecting others in the same boat.

the sinestro scare was something you had to have been there to read everything while it was going on to understand how much of a sudden impact it had on the developers and community

 

[KingHippo]

...I was at the tournament that everyone proclaimed was over because the tech existed. I know everything that happened, I'm just not sure that people have the voice that they think they do, which has been proven numerous times over.

 

[pumpkincream]

...I was at the tournament that everyone proclaimed was over because the tech existed. I know everything that happened, I'm just not sure that people have the voice that they think they do, which has been proven numerous times over.

the past says other wise

first people cried about deathstroke and went rampage on forums. he was then nerfed. then killer frost was teared about by many people publicly, and she received the nerf hammer. then came scorpion and everyone went nuts and he was nerfed. finally pops up this new sinestro tech and everyone cries on the forums and at most locals on stream and it gets nerfed.

when you look at the history for certain characters, it can easily be seen why developers may have been persuaded to make a move.

 

[KingHippo]

DS and KF were decided before the initial patches even came out. Common knowledge is that a patch has to pass through approval processes, which take more than 30 days. DS was nerfed within a month, so that fits around the timeframe it would take for a patch to be approved...which can only mean it was before the game was out.

This is what I mean, btw. Dave has spread this fantasy and people believe it. I thank you for helping to prove my point.

 

[NRF CharlieMurphy]

You guys are fooling yourselves if you think THIS MMH is better than Pre-patch Black Adam or Superman.

holy shit...........

 

[pumpkincream]

DS and KF were decided before the initial patches even came out. Common knowledge is that a patch has to pass through approval processes, which take more than 30 days. DS was nerfed within a month, so that fits around the timeframe it would take for a patch to be approved...which can only mean it was before the game was out.

This is what I mean, btw. Dave has spread this fantasy and people believe it. I thank you for helping to prove my point.

how do you know the same predicament was not for scorpion batgirl and other teared about characters? how do you know for a fact developers are not option selecting the "oops i messed up so here eat this plate of it was already programmed before patch was released"

what if mmh, ww, zod, etc. etc. were all complained about back then in place of other chars. can you be 100% certain they would not have been touched if the community went into an uproar as they have for numerous past chars? i dont think so and i think you're going about this with more of your theory / opinion and solidifying it as facts when in reality there's many theories and conspiracies around all of it.

 

[KingHippo]

I am pretty sure the DLC characters were on a different timeframe and not playtested with a group like the others were. It is much easier to make reasonable changes to a character when you have months of data rather than a couple of weeks.

 

[cR_whiteboi]

All I can say lol, just lol.

 

[A F0xy Grampa]

As a WoWo main I think MMH is way better than superman or BA have ever been, nothing you can do about it though, just gotta learn to play against it if you don't want to play as it.

I don't think he'd be seen as a problem without Jupiter or REO. But I also don't think that they'd be as big of a threat without MMH either.