What is the difference between pre-patch Black Adam and Martian Manhunter?

[Youphemism]

Yea I know what you mean. Insta airs aren't that hard to do, but it's hard to do it consistently. As for cancels, for me that's really easy cuz I play Grundy and a huge part of his game is his WCC

Yeah well I use xbox dpad, the struggle is real. Grundy takes more effort than execution I'd say, but when you win with him you feel good, shame he loses to half the zoners

 

[Gesture Required Ahead]

I must have missed this through all the posts of REO worship. I've no idea where this narrative came from. REO was loved and given props like there's no tomorrow. People complained about Kabal. Not about REO using Kabal.

Really now, because if that were the case he wouldn't have used Mileena, Kung Lao, Cyber Sub and all the pseudo-REO characters he did back in the early days of MK.

He even made a thread saying he's not going to be let swayed by what people think on when he picks characters anymore when he finally decided to use Kabal.

 

[Zatoichi]

The funny thing is everyone EXCEPT the Bane community asked to buff him.

 

[The PantyChrist]

Dave I think I see where you're coming from. I just ate at a restaurant and after looking at the sides I decided to go with tater tots( when it comes to sandwich sides I'm a tier whore). Upon gettin our food I noticed my brother got waffles fries. WAFFLE FRIES BODY TATER TOTS. Seriously it's like a 7-3, even though they're both top tier.

My point is this, waffle fries may be better than tater tots. They're certainly better than mmh( they're less than $5 and cost no meter) but tater tots are still a damn good choice and body the rest of the sides. You shouldn't complain to the forums when everyone else has the same problems, if not worse ones than zod in the MU

 

[M2Dave]

I think you are being too general as Rico did receive props amongst the players in the community that are not jealous or carry an ulterior motive, there is no point accounting for minority of fools, as you would say.

Jupiter receives the same treatment yes, he is also a good player, with top defence, with MU and game knowledge on top of using a good character. But, you can't seriously look at his gameplay today, watching what he did in grand finals and say that he isn't a top player, It would be questionable to disagree.
MMH is really strong yes, and I have no doubt if another patch arrives, he will be toned down, just like Bats, SM, Aqua, BA etc. I also know that Jupiter doesn't down play, and anyone that does that for MMH should be have their FG knowledge seriously questioned.

While I agree that Jupiter is the man to beat right now, he is definitely a down player.

After watching Jupiter fight Sonic Fox, Batgirl does not go even against Martian Manhunter. She is terribly out zoned by close orb, MB close orb, and any normal attack, especially 3, in trait.

Why is this so difficult to see for some of you fools?

 

[DarthArma]

@General M2Dave Dave brings up a great point about comparing the two. But what I think is different is that the introduction of MMH was a very weak (at least compared to MMH now) version of the character when REO played him at Summer Jam. Seeing that a great MK9 player like reo could only get 7th with this character, everyone considered him "fair" or at the very least NOT BROKEN. If MMH wasn't a DLC Character I would GUARANTEE that character would be the nerfed version of the monster that we see before us today.

 

[EMPEROR_JUPITER]

While I agree that Jupiter is the man to beat right now, he is definitely a down player.

After watching Jupiter fight Sonic Fox, Batgirl does not go even against Martian Manhunter. She is terribly out zoned by close orb, MB close orb, and any normal attack, especially 3, in trait.

Why is this so difficult to see for some of you fools?

Sonic fox and I actually agreed on the match up being even. I have also played it a lot. It is not impossible for a smart Batgirl to corner an MMH player, I can throw out orbs and trait 3s pillars etc but while doing so I'm slowly pushing myself to the corner where Batgirl can make up for all the damage.

 

[RIF]

Great Player + Great Character = Great Results

Pretty simple math

 

[pumpkincream]

@General M2Dave Dave brings up a great point about comparing the two. But what I think is different is that the introduction of MMH was a very weak (at least compared to MMH now) version of the character when REO played him at Summer Jam. Seeing that a great MK9 player like reo could only get 7th with this character, everyone considered him "fair" or at the very least NOT BROKEN. If MMH wasn't a DLC Character I would GUARANTEE that character would be the nerfed version of the monster that we see before us today.

i think that is a bad example and made mmh look like a rising problem. mmh was released on july 30th and then reo goes to get top 8 at a major 2 weeks later on august 16 against non nerfed superman bladam bats day 1 mains. this was trouble brewing from the start.

 

[Groove Heaven]

This thread is nonsense.

For better or worse he's the best character in the game and that's not gonna change. If you can't handle that, spare us the river of salt instead of rehashing ancient arguments to rustle the community because you're absolutely incapable of discussing these types of things without personal attacks and faulty logic.

 

[AK coolcmcgee]

this thread

 

[yaoding09]

Whats the logic in a person who uses a top3 character bitching about the number 1 character? Oh nevermind its dave.

 

[DarthArma]

i think that is a bad example and made mmh look like a rising problem. mmh was released on july 30th and then reo goes to get top 8 at a major 2 weeks later on august 16 against non nerfed superman bladam bats day 1 mains. this was trouble brewing from the start.

But then when a patch is in the works, and the higher ups sit and think...should we nerf MMH? ... What evidence do they ACTUALLY have? did they attest it to REO being THAT good? A decision was made based on the absence of evidence, being the evidence of absence (In this case evidence that says MMH is broke) Which Samuel Jackson has told us, it is not! #GetFucked #nomorepatches #EmoTime

 

[xWildx]

We know nothing

 

[STRYKIE]

If people say Jupiter is only successful because of Martian manhunter, they are crazy. By the end of mk9 he was a force to be reckoned with. His success in this game now is undoubtedly a perfect storm of his continuously growing talent, confidence from his breakthrough, and a great understanding and connection with a great character.

Jupiter played MK9? Who did he main?

 

[UsedForGlue]

While I agree that Jupiter is the man to beat right now, he is definitely a down player.

After watching Jupiter fight Sonic Fox, Batgirl does not go even against Martian Manhunter. She is terribly out zoned by close orb, MB close orb, and any normal attack, especially 3, in trait.

Why is this so difficult to see for some of you fools?

Yea, but I could say that Batgirl destroys certain other characters, and she does. Most characters in the game do this on some levels, DD vs Raven, Hawkgirl vs Nightwing, Flash vs Deathstroke etc.
MMH cab be beaten in a FT3 or 2 by Superman, Batman, Aquaman, Sinestro, Nightwing etc he isn't broken (not saying you are saying that), not by a long shot.

SonicFox can play other characters, albeit, in casuals and online. If he has to make the switch, then he should do it for this match.

 

[AZ MotherBrain]

The difference is a teleport and orbs.

 

[RIF]

Yea, but I could say that Batgirl destroys certain other characters, and she does. Most characters in the game do this on some levels, DD vs Raven, Hawkgirl vs Nightwing, Flash vs Deathstroke etc.
MMH cab be beaten in a FT3 or 2 by Superman, Batman, Aquaman, Sinestro, Nightwing etc he isn't broken (not saying you are saying that), not by a long shot.

Sinestro

Sinestro

Sinestro

NO.

 

[pumpkincream]

But then when a patch is in the works, and the higher ups sit and think...should we nerf MMH? ... What evidence do they ACTUALLY have? did they attest it to REO being THAT good? A decision was made based on the absence of evidence, being the evidence of absence (In this case evidence that says MMH is broke) Which Samuel Jackson has told us, it is not! #GetFucked #nomorepatches #EmoTime

i think it was because no one was playing mmh for a while (reo went on his 6 month hiatus right after summer jam) so they ended up buffing mmh so more players would give him a shot. plus according to your line of thinking why would scorpion get nerfed so quick if if there was no evidence present in tournaments? it was only reo and perfect legend causing a ruckus with him locally so wouldnt the higher ups just say 'hey its reo and perfect legend not scorpion"

 

[RM NoBrows]

While I agree that Jupiter is the man to beat right now, he is definitely a down player.

After watching Jupiter fight Sonic Fox, Batgirl does not go even against Martian Manhunter. She is terribly out zoned by close orb, MB close orb, and any normal attack, especially 3, in trait.

Why is this so difficult to see for some of you fools?

I'm sorry, did you win ECT? Oh yea that's right, Jupiter did with his easy-to-see-coming setups

 

[DarthArma]

i think it was because no one was playing mmh for a while (reo went on his 6 month hiatus right after summer jam) so they ended up buffing mmh so more players would give him a shot. plus according to your line of thinking why would scorpion get nerfed so quick if if there was no evidence present in tournaments? it was only reo and perfect legend causing a ruckus with him locally so wouldnt the higher ups just say 'hey its reo and perfect legend not scorpion"

hmmmm. Very good point. I think there's more at work than we think.

 

[deg222]

i think it was because no one was playing mmh for a while (reo went on his 6 month hiatus right after summer jam) so they ended up buffing mmh so more players would give him a shot. plus according to your line of thinking why would scorpion get nerfed so quick if if there was no evidence present in tournaments? it was only reo and perfect legend causing a ruckus with him locally so wouldnt the higher ups just say 'hey its reo and perfect legend not scorpion"

I was a nobody that bodied people with Scorpion, that's why he got nerfed

 

[THTB]

Can't people just...not give a fuck about who is the best for once?

Dave, you know I love you (no homo), but this comes up every time after Jupiter wins something, even despite the fact that he had to fight out of losers vs the exact same person that originally put him there in this case.

MMH is the best...what more do you want? Apologies? No one is going to apologize for making statements about a character from early on in the game's lifespan. You don't/haven't see people apologizing for saying Iceman was top tier in MvC2, do you?

But man, there's no point to this. Even if he is top, who else is doing anything with the character? You can pick up a good character, but that doesn't mean shit if you actually suck ass.

 

[Eddy Wang]

What about pre patch Superman

f23 man had no equal

 

[DownfouralitY]

These threads serve no FUCKING purpose just fucking close it already.