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Martian Manhunter My honest thoughts

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(IMO) Facts:

Yes MMH is most likely #1

Yes oh tele Is bullshit

Yes random cross up oh tele on HKD/ push/ etc are bs

Yes he definitely beats ZOD and probably 80% of the cast w no losing MUs except potentially 1-2

Yes the character defies footsies

Yes this character hasbetter interacatable control than ZOD w 40% combos ending in MB phase shifter granting a free interactable into HKD cross up setups or orb OKi providing 60%+ into further OKi offense ....yes he has this

Yes Jupiter probably downplays some but is getting better daily at not

....however.....with that said

Jupiter and Reo should never be questioned or disrespected IMO in fact we should be thanking them for existing because without them no one would know the true power of MMH.

It's time we start appreciating true skill combined with a truly powerful character rather than bashing them for winning. I was bashed 3 years for using Kenshi who fits the above descriptions replaced w appropriate wording (ex sc, defies footsies etc) yet no one could do what I did, not even chris G, until 2.5 years after the fact I did it .....yet everyone said it was braindead just like we do w MMH. In fact sub zero was called a 5-5until oct '11. Good times

Has anyone ever considered this????

Maybe Jupiter and Reo are just way better than everyone .........?

i think so . I feel these two are just exceptional players using an exceptional character .

I don't see anyone constantly stuffing batgirl cartwheel and other hard to stuff wake ups other than Jupiter and I honestly don't feel fear vs any MMH other than those two because they evoke it. I've seen and played all of you and mopped most of u up badly, some were close ..... I'll also go back and watch tourney matches and casuals w MMH and no one looks like Reo and Jupiter which further proves my point. Maybe these two are just BETTER than everyone and MMH is fine as a S+ character can be in the FGC .

I'll also remind everyone when I ask people daily "well which MMH are you losing to?" No one ,including myself, has an answer different , it's always Jupiter and Reo.

So I for one appreciate these two players using their S+ tier skill w a S+ character because I feel it pushes me constantly to get better. No player other than woundcowboy has made me dig so deep in the lab before so I thank them from keeping me from being lazy and exploring my character further.

I also ask the other MMH players to step up their game and try and match Jupiter and Reo. We need you guys to and they do as well.

There are current MMHs constantly getting better that can catch up soon if they continue to work hard and those MMH players, to name some, are blak felow, storm the gates , roostak, kinetic balding , rebelo and others

Also I specifically ask the Break when commentating to give Jupiter more credit for being an outstanding player rather than ever insinuating he's winning because of his "bs character"

I'll also throw Rico some props though, dude doesn't really practice all that much but probably does 2nd-3rd best vs Jupiter w Aquaman. Says a lot.

Anyway, some of you will disagree and that's ok but I for one will support these guys and their success.

But I'm still gonna blow all the other MMHs up if I beat you :)
I agree with a lot that was said. From what I have seen, Jupiter and Reo are outstanding with MMH. I'm glad they are here to show what MMH is capable of. I had the chance to actually play Jupiter online and was amazed by some of his reads. The way he beat out Sonicfox's wakeups was great. Beating out wake-up cartwheel is honestly easy, the read he made that Sonicfox would do wake-up cartwheel instead of uppercut was what really amazed me. They should definitely be given their props for what they do, HOWEVER, I just can't say they are better than everyone. They may be the best using MMH though. The amount of "S tier skill" taken to win a stacked major with MMH is nowhere near the amount that would be needed to win with someone like Joker. When I see players like 16 bit (who stuffs many many wake-ups), Orochi, WoundCowboy, Smarrgasm, Rico, Arma, Sonicfox, Revolver etc overcome tough mus, thought to be 3-7's by some, is when I get hype and impressed by the amount of skill (sometimes lack of knowledge though) shown. I can't with good conscience say they are BETTER than them. I play MMH here and there and I believe everyone can agree he is number 1. The power I feel with him as a pre patch superman main, is outstanding. I love getting free interactables and high damage. Every time I lose with him, I feel like it was my own mistakes and next game I can win; in EVERY mu. I don't have that same feeling when playing with anyone else outside a few. I feel the people you mentioned, Balding, Stormthegates, Rebelo, even PL can be just as deadly given the right information and experience. There is a lot of knowledge that needs to be known with MMH to beat someone who knows the mu. I just don't see how a MMH player couldn't win in advantage mus such as vs cyborg if they knew how to approach said mu and practiced enough. Jupiter and Reo are fantastic MMH players, but lbsh(watever happen to that podcast btw), if they were playing with Cyborg there S tier skill would not allow them to overcome some of the BS in the game and win MLG or Evo, like I believe they have a strong chance at doing. The skill required to do that is a level I doubt anyone will reach in time.
 
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STB Sgt Reed

Online Warrior
What pisses me off about MMH isn't really the teleport... it's how it seems like he can poke everything I do with that D1.

But I suck at the game, so it could just be that. lmao
 

RNLDRGN

RONALD ROGAN
They deserve props for sure, but Bane is broken as balls with Venom active. Not trying to discredit Grr or Max, however. They're both very, very good with Bane and know how to utilize his tools.
Yes. But as someone who plays against Grr verrrry often I can say that he is awesome with half of the cast. He may not have optimal "I main diz duud maxx damage" combos with everyone, but his neutral game and comfort with the game mechanics are crazy.

Bane isn't broken as balls with venom active--he just forces you to play a very very weird runaway game that almost no other MU recreates. He's crazy unique in the way he makes you fight him. But Dash Up-MB Uppercut? Yeah. THAT's broken.
 

Qwark28

Joker waiting room
+1000000
I was about to reply to this thread, but then I decided to at least first read what has been posted so far. In around page 4 I found the post above, so, there is not any reason for me to reply anymore. I have been completely covered by this reply.

And for some people that still believe that MMH's random OH Teles are OP, I have one thing to say:
If you can't react with MB B3 (or MB F3) against random OH Teles, it must mean one of two things. Either you haven't get used to "seeing" this move, OR your reflexes are not that good (I said that as gentlier as possible).
OH Tele usage is what separates an experienced MMH player than an inexperienced one.
You haven't played vs a good MMH in a matchup where you're looking for 10 things at once, it's very easy to miss a punish for the OH tp.
 

Srryimwhte

RM PTH
I would have to disagree since 80% of TYM probably aren't aware of what makes 3S Chun top. Ken would fit the bill but I'm not sure if he has enough dominant matchups to be considered TOP-tier.
I guess maybe it seems more like common knowledge cuz I played a lot of street fighter too
 

WakeUp DP

GT MK OshTekk.
I just dont understand that when Sinestros push block glitch was discovered Pig of the hut, Tom Brady and a few other "top" players cried hard enough and was hot fixed asap and MMH everyone knows he is just as scrubby as it comes and NRs doesnt do anything about it?


Remember when we said Kabal wasnt gonna kill MK9? Well it kinda did, didnt it?
MMH cheapness is gonna cause lots of people to quit this game...
Nerf the teleport, nerf the orbs and nerf the amount of meter he builds and he would still be pretty high on the tier list.

Oh and normalize Zod while at it. He is freaking ridiculous!
 
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Pnut

Mouth of the Illuminati
I just dont understand that when Sinestros push block glitch was discovered Pig of the hut, Tom Brady and a few other "top" players cried hard enough and was hot fixed asap and MMH everyone knows he is just as scrubby as it comes and NRs doesnt do anything about it?


Remember when we said Kabal wasnt gonna kill MK9? Well it kinda did, didnt it?
MMH cheapness is gonna cause lots of people to quit this game...
Nerf the teleport, nerf the orbs and nerf the amount of meter he builds and he would still be pretty high on the tier list.

Oh and normalize Zod while at it. He is freaking ridiculous!
As much as I agree with some of this ... let's get 1 thing straight. Zod isn't as ridiculous as people are making him out to be. He is good yes ... but he may not even be top 5. This blowup comes from the severe lack of knowledge people have when they get bodied by him in tournament. Him and Sinestro kind of fit in the same category where they are still good, but people think they are top 3-5 because they don't know the matchup. There are ways to get around their bullshit, you just have to lab it and train it. Martian, Aqua, and Batgirl are top 3 for a reason, no matter how much of the matchup you know, they still have a very high chance to body you.
 
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Eldriken

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As much as I agree with some of this ... let's get 1 thing straight. Zod isn't as ridiculous as people are making him out to be. He is good yes ... but he may not even be top 5. This blowup comes from the severe lack of knowledge people have when they get bodied by him in tournament. Him and Sinestro kind of fit in the same category where they are still good, but people think they are top 3-5 because they don't know the matchup. There are ways to get around their bullshit, you just have to lab it and train it. Martian, Aqua, and Batgirl are top 3 for a reason, no matter how much of the matchup you know, they still have a very high chance to body you.
WHY AREN'T YOU TYPING IN ALL CAPS ANYMORE? IS IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT SUNDAY OR DO YOU ONLY TYPE LIKE THAT IN STREAM CHAT?
 

WakeUp DP

GT MK OshTekk.
As much as I agree with some of this ... let's get 1 thing straight. Zod isn't as ridiculous as people are making him out to be. He is good yes ... but he may not even be top 5. This blowup comes from the severe lack of knowledge people have when they get bodied by him in tournament. Him and Sinestro kind of fit in the same category where they are still good, but people think they are top 3-5 because they don't know the matchup. There are ways to get around their bullshit, you just have to lab it and train it. Martian, Aqua, and Batgirl are top 3 for a reason, no matter how much of the matchup you know, they still have a very high chance to body you.
Dude he is freaking OP.
Best zoner in the game with full screen safe 50/50s. One of the best back dashes. Huge damage. Why does a zoner has to have that ridiculous amount of damage? It doesn't make any sense.
 

Pnut

Mouth of the Illuminati
WHY AREN'T YOU TYPING IN ALL CAPS ANYMORE? IS IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT SUNDAY OR DO YOU ONLY TYPE LIKE THAT IN STREAM CHAT?
Because there is no need to tell everyone that WoWo is a shitter in this thread :)

Dude he is freaking OP.
Best zoner in the game with full screen safe 50/50s. One of the best back dashes. Huge damage. Why does a zoner has to have that ridiculous amount of damage? It doesn't make any sense.
They aren't true 50/50s unless he comes to you, which then you have a plethora of options. His backdash is good but it's recovery is slow. His damage comes from his super long combos lol. But you wanna know something cool ... if you block any of his strings into low laser that you can jump out of them? Try it. Stop complaining and go do your homework.
 

STRYKIE

Are ya' ready for MK11 kids?!
I guess maybe it seems more like common knowledge cuz I played a lot of street fighter too
Don't get me wrong, she's definitely no Oro lol, but what I'm saying is, I doubt the average Joe from TYM would get very far abusing cr.MKxxSAII against a Hugo main.
 

WakeUp DP

GT MK OshTekk.
Don't get me wrong, she's definitely no Oro lol, but what I'm saying is, I doubt the average Joe from TYM would get very far abusing cr.MKxxSAII against a Hugo main.
This tymers dont know shit about fighting games gotta die already...

I am a tymers and I'm decent at sf4, MK9, KI3, KOFs and Inj.