Doombawkz
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Some jumps come out in exactly 5 frames (memory service, catwoman's j.1 and ect)
Some jumps come out in exactly 5 frames (memory service, catwoman's j.1 and ect)
Yeah, but that's only counting the startup of the hit itself. You also have to account for the jump animation, which eats up a few frames as well. Ordinarily that doesn't make a difference, but here it does because that's the difference between escaping or not. Unless instant jump attacks are buffered and avoid that issue, which would be something I'm simply not aware of.
Yup. It's not the corner game that is Joker's weakness, it's getting you there and being able to impose himself in the neutral game.
I'm not positive, but I'm pretty sure blocked teeth build about 1/6th of a bar and tossing them builds about 1/13th, so it should take about 5-6 repetitions to build a full bar of meter. I can verify later unless someone else wants to check; the string is pretty inconsequential to meter building, so you can just toss teeth out against a blocking training dummy and see how many it takes.
I think it's a little stupid for US to apologize when he made a thread basically calling all Joker players frauds and downplayers. I didn't think there was an infinite and he proved me wrong, so sure, @SonicFox5000 you proved me wrong and I'll be holding that (by the way, please provide some feedback on whether anything I'm saying here is flawed; I'd like to know if got anything wrong... lol). But what we really took issue with in that thread was being insulted and told we didn't know shit and that Joker is top 10 when everything else that was being shared was old news tech and we've been pouring work into making this character good and saying nothing but good things about him. Joker's failings are navigating the neutral game against some characters that control it far better than he does, so that's what I wanna see more work with to demonstrate this character being "top 10". Apologies are not necessary either way; Sonic was mostly trolling and we were mostly annoyed by it, which is the consequence of trolling. Nothing more.
Lol SMH.
I couldn't disagree more with this statement of yours. I saw multiple MULTIPLE times where SonicFox said he wasn't calling out actuall Joker players but only the people that downplay him. And obviously you don't downplay him, so SonicFox wasn't calling you out at all. But you bashed him like he was. And I DO think you owe him an appolgy. Lastly, this game is still developing and obviously new tech is still being developed. But who knows, maybe in the end SonicFox was right after all and everyone will end up agreeing that Joker is top 10 and then you will really have to hold that. Only time will tel. Whatever your response to this may be, I am done and have said my part.
Hold on, let me just say that Cyborg, CW, Joker, Ares are top 5. I know they are. Even if I don't know why.
Well it's a good thing we don't care what you think.
Well you should re-read the thread then. He alternates between those statements over and over, calls me free (which I am so I don't care lol), and says he's sick of Joker players downplaying IN THE OP. Trolling is an option select at best and simply malicious/counter to this whole "new leaf" movement.
This stuff is a lot more situational than Cyrax tech brother.
So its more situational than cyrax tech, yet needs to be removed? I mean obviously people hollered for cyrax tech to be patched, but not cyrax players..
I main Joker, and have since the beginning. I'm not saying it NEEDS to go by any means, but simply that I don't like infinites. It's very difficult to get into and execute, so it's fair IMO. But this is a really strong tool in a situation where he already has a lot of really strong tools- the corner. He doesn't NEED this nearly as much as he needs some adjustments to his neutral game and whiff issues. That's all I'm getting at.
