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Match-up Discussion Ducky's Raven MU Chart

M2Dave

Zoning Master
@xKhaoTik so how did taking all that chip work out for you?
Low gunshots fired.

To be fair, Khaotik is rusty. He has not competed in an off-line tournament for a long time.

I think he is a solid player, but Killer Frost is not a character that is made for him. He plays Killer Frost similarly to Kitana, who was primarily a zoning and footsies character. Killer Frost is all about slide and 50/50 mix ups.
 

Blind_Ducky

Princess of the Sisterhood
Low gunshots fired.

To be fair, Khaotik is rusty. He has not competed in an off-line tournament for a long time.

I think he is a solid player, but Killer Frost is not a character that is made for him. He plays Killer Frost similarly to Kitana, who was primarily a zoning and footsies character. Killer Frost is all about slide and 50/50 mix ups.
I'm salty because he told me it's 6-4 frost and lost in exactly the way I said the mu should be played by Raven.
 

Zoidberg747

My blades will find your heart
@Blind_Man I'd like to know your reasoning for these #s whenever you have time:
Black Adam
MMH
Scorpion

I dont play those much so want to know your thoughts.

Anyone else feel free to chime in.
 

Blind_Ducky

Princess of the Sisterhood
@Blind_Man I'd like to know your reasoning for these #s whenever you have time:
Black Adam
MMH
Scorpion

I dont play those much so want to know your thoughts.

Anyone else feel free to chime in.
Black Adam gets zoned out as fuck and lift rapes him. MMH can't zone her and she has more full screen control and baits out tele ports and shit. He gets a knockdown and can poop on her. D1 lift after any jump in option selects & beats jump in tele or normal. Hellfire can be jumped or reflected on reaction.
 

Relaxedstate

PTH|RM Relaxedstate
I actually think Zod wins this MU. While both characters face the "can't wake up" conundrum, Zod is dealing more damage throughout the match. Also, while it is hard for him to safely get trait from anywhere but full screen he can actually zone raven very well.

She cannot do much against iaZBs, especially many slow ones. If she tries to absorb and meter burn, Zod can (on reaction)use MB sidearm to hit her out of the animation. Even from mid-screen Zod gets a favorable trade since she will get hit by 2x slow forceballs

With good execution Zod should win more often. I also feel that it is more likely for him to run away with a life lead than it is for raven to do the same (aka Zod has a better comeback factor against Raven, than she does for him).

It is subtle, but if it is not 5-5, then it is 6-4 Zod
 

Blind_Ducky

Princess of the Sisterhood
I actually think Zod wins this MU. While both characters face the "can't wake up" conundrum, Zod is dealing more damage throughout the match. Also, while it is hard for him to safely get trait from anywhere but full screen he can actually zone raven very well.

She cannot do much against iaZBs, especially many slow ones. If she tries to absorb and meter burn, Zod can (on reaction)use MB sidearm to hit her out of the animation. Even from mid-screen Zod gets a favorable trade since she will get hit by 2x slow forceballs

With good execution Zod should win more often. I also feel that it is more likely for him to run away with a life lead than it is for raven to do the same (aka Zod has a better comeback factor against Raven, than she does for him).

It is subtle, but if it is not 5-5, then it is 6-4 Zod
Raven doesn't need to mb the reflect. If she has any sort of life lead you'll lose because mb is not necessary. It's also worth eating a zod ball to pop trait because of the pay off. It's a 5-5 match up.
 
I actually think Zod wins this MU. While both characters face the "can't wake up" conundrum, Zod is dealing more damage throughout the match. Also, while it is hard for him to safely get trait from anywhere but full screen he can actually zone raven very well.

She cannot do much against iaZBs, especially many slow ones. If she tries to absorb and meter burn, Zod can (on reaction)use MB sidearm to hit her out of the animation. Even from mid-screen Zod gets a favorable trade since she will get hit by 2x slow forceballs

With good execution Zod should win more often. I also feel that it is more likely for him to run away with a life lead than it is for raven to do the same (aka Zod has a better comeback factor against Raven, than she does for him).

It is subtle, but if it is not 5-5, then it is 6-4 Zod
i learned that a mix of zodball and gunshot zoning is very effective against raven and buys zod time to load the trait. the multi-hits negate reflection and his zoning is overall faster than ravens. trades favor him in Terms of damage and advantage. id call it a 6-4 from what i know, if zod stays Fullscreen which is what he should do.
 

Blind_Ducky

Princess of the Sisterhood
i learned that a mix of zodball and gunshot zoning is very effective against raven and buys zod time to load the trait. the multi-hits negate reflection and his zoning is overall faster than ravens. trades favor him in Terms of damage and advantage. id call it a 6-4 from what i know.
Multiple projectiles don't affect her reflect. She can absorb an infinite amount of projectiles as long as the absorbing frames are active. And how does he win trades? Her projectiles/pillars do more damage than his orbs & guns.
 

cR_whiteboi

Jobbers are mouthpieces for gods.
1st I read a older post from you saying that the corner vs doomie isn't scary. You might be the only person to have ever said that. Second this MU list looks to be to good to be true. I personally Still think she's a bill. But I can't see any faults on your numbers...
 

Blind_Ducky

Princess of the Sisterhood
1st I read a older post from you saying that the corner vs doomie isn't scary. You might be the only person to have ever said that. Second this MU list looks to be to good to be true. I personally Still think she's a bill. But I can't see any faults on your numbers...
It's not. Yeah I keep getting told she's a bill but then no one can dispute my mu numbers. And I'm also told she's top 10 or top 5.
 

Blind_Ducky

Princess of the Sisterhood
Also @Blind_Man I don't think she beats Adam or Aquaman. I also think Deathstroke beats her.
WHYYYYY. Adam gets outzoned like fuck. Lift is a problem for Adam too. Aquaman gets outzoned as well & when he gets knocked down its dick butt cause 50/50s that are stupid. Deathstroke is 5-5 cause they both punish eachothers shit (Raven does more damage) and they should be fine in footsies since they're options are about the same speed. Yes deathstroke rapes her on knockdown, but so does everyone.
 

cR_whiteboi

Jobbers are mouthpieces for gods.
It's not. Yeah I keep getting told she's a bill but then no one can dispute my mu numbers. And I'm also told she's top 10 or top 5.
Lies. Also ya I wanna dispute your numbers but I can't see any to do so. Also smarr gets emo. She can't be top 5. If she had better limbs or a true wakeup then ya
change doomsday to 7-3 dooms
as doomsday of America I'd say 6-4. It sometimes feel 7-3. But its not. She has options to fight doomie. 7-3 makes it sound helpless which only on knockdown she is
 

Blind_Ducky

Princess of the Sisterhood
Lies. Also ya I wanna dispute your numbers but I can't see any to do so. Also smarr gets emo. She can't be top 5. If she had better limbs or a true wakeup then ya
as doomsday of America I'd say 6-4. It sometimes feel 7-3. But its not. She has options to fight doomie.
Yeah that's what happens. No one can dispute my numbers. They're accurate as fuck. Teleport is a true wake up. It only feels like 7-3 when I'm being a fucktard. There's more In the mu I could be doing right.
 

cR_whiteboi

Jobbers are mouthpieces for gods.
Yeah that's what happens. No one can dispute my numbers. They're accurate as fuck. Teleport is a true wake up. It only feels like 7-3 when I'm being a fucktard. There's more In the mu I could be doing right.
true. It is. But I meant more in the sense of GL or BA wakeup. Fucktard.... Lol. Also ya there is.
you'll get use to it. She definitely isn't helpless. Which a 7-3 basically means. Also @WoundCowboy on a random note Jesus that aquaman vs sinestro mu is shit