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SonicBoomBrad

SonicBoomBrad

Best Doomsday in the world
Rev_ said:
we gotta play a lot at SCR.
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I'm down bro. I think FRQ is getting a hotel room at the venue, but we'll probably be at wherever is having casuals.

We can play some more online soon too. I really need to learn that match up, because it's one I have very little experience in.
 
GGA Saucy Jack

GGA Saucy Jack

The artist formerly known as ImNewbieSauce
To chime in on DD vs Bane:

I agree with the general consensus its very winnable for Doomy but slight Bane adv.

When Doomy gets knocked down by Bane, its a disaster. Bane has more than enough options to flat out beat venom uppercut.

Further, when Doomy knocks down Bane, pressure ends. Banes wakeup game flat out dominates Doomy.

Brad is spot on that Doomy cant counter poke Bane as well, its frustrating.

However, Doomturtle is very good in this matchup. Doomys D1 range being so strong allows you to wait and punish Banes forward dash. Offline at least. I assume online that doesnt work. Further, careful trait useage allows Doomy to punish a lot of Banes junk by taking a hit. This forces Bane to have to go to level three more often, thus lowering his total venom time, and adding to his total cooldown time.

The only reason its not even is because one knockdown essentially puts Doomy into a meterless vortex until Bane runs out of venom because Doomy flat out cant wake up. You can easily lose an entire health bar.

Winnable, but slight Bane adv. 5.5-4.5 or 6-4 if you don't use decimals. My .02 at least.
 
cR_whiteboi

cR_whiteboi

Jobbers are mouthpieces for gods.
ImNewbieSauce said:
To chime in on DD vs Bane:

I agree with the general consensus its very winnable for Doomy but slight Bane adv.

When Doomy gets knocked down by Bane, its a disaster. Bane has more than enough options to flat out beat venom uppercut.

Further, when Doomy knocks down Bane, pressure ends. Banes wakeup game flat out dominates Doomy.

Brad is spot on that Doomy cant counter poke Bane as well, its frustrating.

However, Doomturtle is very good in this matchup. Doomys D1 range being so strong allows you to wait and punish Banes forward dash. Offline at least. I assume online that doesnt work. Further, careful trait useage allows Doomy to punish a lot of Banes junk by taking a hit. This forces Bane to have to go to level three more often, thus lowering his total venom time, and adding to his total cooldown time.

The only reason its not even is because one knockdown essentially puts Doomy into a meterless vortex until Bane runs out of venom because Doomy flat out cant wake up. You can easily lose an entire health bar.

Winnable, but slight Bane adv. 5.5-4.5 or 6-4 if you don't use decimals. My .02 at least.
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I agree turtling feels alot better. Doomturtle.... I'm gonna enter at kumite with this name
 
GGA Saucy Jack

GGA Saucy Jack

The artist formerly known as ImNewbieSauce
Tm_whiteboi said:
I agree turtling feels alot better. Doomturtle.... I'm gonna enter at kumite with this name
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Yea, it's definitely a MU where full blown turtle mode gets engaged. Doomy pretty much has to let him get up from far awar or else you get grabbed or venom uppercutted. I have much more success just punishing his forward dash, MB b3ing his charge, and anti-airing him.

And that would be tight if you called yourself that. Doomys turtle game is really strong. And its counter - intuitive for most people to rush him down. He is indeed Doomturtle.
 
cR_whiteboi

cR_whiteboi

Jobbers are mouthpieces for gods.
ImNewbieSauce said:
Yea, it's definitely a MU where full blown turtle mode gets engaged. Doomy pretty much has to let him get up from far awar or else you get grabbed or venom uppercutted. I have much more success just punishing his forward dash, MB b3ing his charge, and anti-airing him.

And that would be tight if you called yourself that. Doomys turtle game is really strong. And its counter - intuitive for most people to rush him down. He is indeed Doomturtle.
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Ya I agree its the better way to play. Though I do use a bit of hit and run with venom charges to keep him on his toes.

Oh I will enter as it. I already signed up for scr as empr/D1~Es cracker. So I will be empr/D1~Es doomturtle for kit
 
GGA Saucy Jack

GGA Saucy Jack

The artist formerly known as ImNewbieSauce
Tm_whiteboi said:
Ya I agree its the better way to play. Though I do use a bit of hit and run with venom charges to keep him on his toes.

Oh I will enter as it. I already signed up for scr as empr/D1~Es cracker. So I will be empr/D1~Es doomturtle for kit
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I also do hit and run. Agreed. Random shoulders to keep him honest. Id say its 75 percent turtle in this MU.
 
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Eldriken

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VGMtheVagabond said:
Any advice on playing Zatanna?
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Block low on her wakeup. Block high if she's in the air.

He teleport is ass and can be baited at times.

I dunno. I'm sure someone can give you something far more thorough. I just try to play defensively with Doomsday at times (shocking, I know!) and punish peoples' mistakes. People are really thrown off when someone decides to turtle/play defensively with Doomsday. If you've got at least one stock of meter, they're very cautious about approaching you due to fear of MB Venom.

I'm really not kidding. People can get really mindfucked if they face a Doomsday who isn't on the offense 24/7 and knows how to react/block. Most people are prepared to defend AGAINST Doomsday, not have to downright go on the assault.

This is of course MU specific as there are obviously characters who will beat Doomsday's ass all day long in the turtle game.
 
VGMtheVagabond

VGMtheVagabond

Salt Mine CEO
Eldriken said:
Block low on her wakeup. Block high if she's in the air.

He teleport is ass and can be baited at times.

I dunno. I'm sure someone can give you something far more thorough. I just try to play defensively with Doomsday at times (shocking, I know!) and punish peoples' mistakes. People are really thrown off when someone decides to turtle/play defensively with Doomsday. If you've got at least one stock of meter, they're very cautious about approaching you due to fear of MB Venom.

I'm really not kidding. People can get really mindfucked if they face a Doomsday who isn't on the offense 24/7 and knows how to react/block. Most people are prepared to defend AGAINST Doomsday, not have to downright go on the assault.

This is of course MU specific as there are obviously characters who will beat Doomsday's ass all day long in the turtle game.
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I'm pretty much picking him up for Raven's bad matchups, but I haven't run into Zatanna or see anything about her vs DD
 
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Eldriken

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VGMtheVagabond said:
I'm pretty much picking him up for Raven's bad matchups, but I haven't run into Zatanna or see anything about her vs DD
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I don't really know if there's much of anything here for Doomsday vs Zatanna. I'd consider it even, personally. But I haven't played any real good Zatanna players yet. So, I can't really judge too much. Just try to remember how to block against her and you can handle the MU like many others, really.
 
Metzos

Metzos

You will BOW to me!
DD's anti wake up game really helps him against Bane. D1xES pretty much wins against all of his wake ups, traited or not, except venom uppercut, or whatever that move is called (although it can trade sometimes), which can be baited and blocked. All other wake ups are beaten by DD's d1xxES. This MU was a 5-5 with .5 going to either side, since, i dont know, forever.
 
Qwark28

Qwark28

Joker waiting room
Metzos said:
DD's anti wake up game really helps him against Bane. D1xES pretty much wins against all of his wake ups, traited or not, except venom uppercut, or whatever that move is called (although it can trade sometimes), which can be baited and blocked. All other wake ups are beaten by DD's d1xxES. This MU was a 5-5 with .5 going to either side, since, i dont know, forever.
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How do you beat a 17f armoured overhead with d1 shake before the DPunch hits you as you cancel to shake
 
Metzos

Metzos

You will BOW to me!
Qwark28 said:
Yup, just clarifying that you can't just d1 shake derp derp through Bane's trait wakeups.
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Only against the overhead. Naked ES will win against all of his armored wake ups. Bane might have a veeery solid anti-wake up game, but DD has an armor breaking special for those situations.
 
Qwark28

Qwark28

Joker waiting room
Metzos said:
Only against the overhead. Naked ES will win against all of his armored wake ups. Bane might have a veeery solid anti-wake up game, but DD has an armor breaking special for those situations.
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VU I think you mean, DP you might be able to trade with or maybe stuff, haven't played a bane or doomsday in ages.
 
Immortal Kombat

Immortal Kombat

almost moderate success
GGA Saucy Jack said:
Agreed. His d1 range, trait, anti air grab, and shoulder make it daunting to try to rush him down.
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I would like to know what you think the DD Bane matchup number is since you play against the best bane. I personally feel its at best 6-4 bane. However i admit i dont have much bane experience. It just seems like every strength DD has bane counters with level 3 venom. You cant keep a good bane down on the ground if they know what they are doing
 
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