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Match-up Discussion Shazams true Match up Chart.

zoofs

zoofs

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it might not be shazams worst matchup but i highly doubt its even, and saying you can punish from the deep from up close means literally nothing for the overall matchup.. no competent aquaman will ftd without the proper spacing

you havent played a good aquaman basically, hes not overrated at all and definitely top 3. I haven't played the aquaman matchup either but he blows shazam up at footsie range as well as full screen..
 
ZigZag

ZigZag

That Welsh Guy
zoofs said:
it might not be shazams worst matchup but i highly doubt its even, and saying you can punish from the deep from up close means literally nothing for the overall matchup.. no competent aquaman will ftd without the proper spacing

you havent played a good aquaman basically, hes not overrated at all and definitely top 3. I haven't played the aquaman matchup either but he blows shazam up at footsie range as well as full screen..
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You force them to think they can, You just don't have rush in and get picked up by scoops and hit by his heavenly B3 but you just don't have to play that way, you can play spacing and bait bait bait.
 
Indecisive

Indecisive

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Ares is an idk for me. Fuck Batgirl. I think aquaman is a 6-4 in Shazams favor but i only say that to give me the confedence to beat Aquaman. MMH is a pain in the ass. I now get to play againt Jupitar at the break and his MMH is insane. The only saving grace is shazam is able to punish overhead teleport. :p.
 
ZigZag

ZigZag

That Welsh Guy
ISF_AWG_Indecisive said:
Ares is an idk for me. Fuck Batgirl. I think aquaman is a 6-4 in Shazams favor but i only say that to give me the confedence to beat Aquaman. MMH is a pain in the ass. I now get to play againt Jupitar at the break and his MMH is insane. The only saving grace is shazam is able to punish overhead teleport. :p.
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Idek with Ares he seems even some days and others slightly difficult.
then Batgirl just fucks numbers up lol.
Aquaman isn't that difficult tbh, I think you can break even, even beat him on good days.
MMH is something i've not experienced at it's full potential but i'm afraid.
 
Crathen

Crathen

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I think Aquaman has a slight edge but it's not truly 4-6 , 22xxtorpedo point blank and max range b2xxtorpedo are not punishable by Aquamans b12 , the first hit whiffs and you can walk back and punish his whiff with 22xxHM or you can backdash anything other than a YOLO FTD , they can try to check you walking back with f2 then you either backdash it or block and punish.

His wakeup game is extremely vulnerable , he can't AA j2 after AC enders so he either wakeups and get punished or block / forward or backdash ( read ) and get HM on wakeup , j2 is a safe bet and stuffs everything ( water shield included ), b2 has some airborne frames and can go over wakeup scoop.

Shazam HM has slightly more range than his b1 , better walkspeed , huge forward dash / backdash , his footsies are good enough to hang with him , it's all about how much you make him guess on knockdowns and make some reads with AC / J2 , 22 , f12 ( underestimated string , it's good off j2 and it's +3 or you can confirm into a combo ) while keeping a good footsie game going on and using wisely teleport wakeups.

I might even think 5-5 , there's no really top shazam loyalist tournament player wich actually knows everything about the matchups.
 
ZigZag

ZigZag

That Welsh Guy
Crathen said:
I might even think 5-5 , there's no really top shazam loyalist tournament player wich actually knows everything about the matchups.
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The UK scene is dead pretty much, but I will rep him everywhere I go.

But it doesn't matter unless it's the US scene lol
 
Indecisive

Indecisive

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I will keep Playing Shazam at every tournament i go to. Also in the Shazam Mirror here what i do.
Step 1: See person pick Shazam
Step 2: Look at screen for 20 seconds
Step 3: Facepalm
Step 4: Pick Green Lantern
Step 5: Mini Gun to Victory
Alternate Step: Steal Tech on how to avoid Minigun.
 
ZigZag

ZigZag

That Welsh Guy
ISF_AWG_Indecisive said:
I will keep Playing Shazam at every tournament i go to. Also in the Shazam Mirror here what i do.
Step 1: See person pick Shazam
Step 2: Look at screen for 20 seconds
Step 3: Facepalm
Step 4: Pick Green Lantern
Step 5: Mini Gun to Victory
Alternate Step: Steal Tech on how to avoid Minigun.
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I do a similar thing but at Step 4 I pick Death stroke and just zone to test how bad they really are...
 
Indecisive

Indecisive

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TKT ZigZag said:
I do a similar thing but at Step 4 I pick Death stroke and just zone to test how bad they really are...
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Ya the DS MU is really weird. Lucky for me my friend mains DS so i have a good idea how the MU is. 6-4 DS favor sadly :(
 
Ermaculate_Slim

Ermaculate_Slim

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ISF_AWG_Indecisive said:
What do you do in the GL MU. Kinda wondering what others do in that MU
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Well I just try to be patient until I get my opportunity to get in and get HM or torpedo KD. GL's B1,2 I think thats the string.....but it can be interrupted on read with a D2(good luck doing it online tho lol) if hes over-using it.Same goes for the B1,3 into trait or B1,3 into machine gun can all be punished with a d2~HM punish.You just gotta keep the GL players guessing on whether you are gonna HM after a KD or not or you can just cross em up. Imo the MU isn't that hard just annoying.
 
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TRG

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First time poster long time lurker here... I don't compete in tournaments but I've played a shit ton of online matches (I'm definitely one of the better Shazam's online).

In my experience if there's one match up that makes me feel completely hopeless it's against Batgirl. Can someone please explain how you're supposed to deal with her insane mix up game combined with her crazy wake up options?
 
Indecisive

Indecisive

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TRG said:
First time poster long time lurker here... I don't compete in tournaments but I've played a shit ton of online matches (I'm definitely one of the better Shazam's online).

In my experience if there's one match up that makes me feel completely hopeless it's against Batgirl. Can someone please explain how you're supposed to deal with her insane mix up game combined with her crazy wake up options?
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TRG said:
First time poster long time lurker here... I don't compete in tournaments but I've played a shit ton of online matches (I'm definitely one of the better Shazam's online
In my experience if there's one match up that makes me feel completely hopeless it's against Batgirl. Can someone please explain how you're supposed to deal with her insane mix up game combined with her crazy wake up options?
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you need to bait the wake up cartwheel. also her teleport is safe on wiff which is stupid. as for the vortex its pretty much a guessing game
 
Derptile

Derptile

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Derptile MU chart (inb4 I've become irrelevant as a Shazam Player)

  1. Aquaman: 6-4
  2. Ares: 6-4
  3. Bane: 6-4
  4. Batgirl: 3-7
  5. Batman: 5-5(Maybe 6-4)
  6. Black Adam: 4-6
  7. Catwoman: 6-4
  8. Cyborg: 4-6
  9. Deathstroke: 4-6
  10. Doomsday: 6-4
  11. Flash: (not enough exp)
  12. Green Arrow: 5-5
  13. Green Lantern: 4-6
  14. Harley Quinn: 5-5
  15. Hawkgirl: 4-6(Maybe 3-7)
  16. The Joker: 6-4(Maybe 7-3)
  17. Killer Frost: 4-6
  18. Lex Luthor: No Idea
  19. Lobo: 6-4
  20. Martian Manhunter: No Idea
  21. Nightwing: 4-6
  22. Raven: No Idea
  23. Scorpion: 6-4
  24. Shazam
  25. Sinestro: 4-6(like 3.6-6.4)
  26. Solomon Grundy: 6-4
  27. Superman: 3-7
  28. Wonder Woman: 4-6(Maybe 3-7)
  29. Zod lol idk
30. Zatanna lol idk
 
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ZigZag

ZigZag

That Welsh Guy
Derptile said:
Derptile MU chart (inb4 I've become irrelevant as a Shazam Player)

  1. Aquaman: 6-4
  2. Ares: 6-4
  3. Bane: 6-4
  4. Batgirl: 3-7
  5. Batman: 5-5(Maybe 6-4)
  6. Black Adam: 4-6
  7. Catwoman: 6-4
  8. Cyborg: 4-6
  9. Deathstroke: 4-6
  10. Doomsday: 6-4
  11. Flash: (not enough exp)
  12. Green Arrow: 5-5
  13. Green Lantern: 4-6
  14. Harley Quinn: 5-5
  15. Hawkgirl: 4-6(Maybe 3-7)
  16. The Joker: 6-4(Maybe 7-3)
  17. Killer Frost: 4-6
  18. Lex Luthor: No Idea
  19. Lobo: 6-4
  20. Martian Manhunter: No Idea
  21. Nightwing: 4-6
  22. Raven: No Idea
  23. Scorpion: 6-4
  24. Shazam
  25. Sinestro: 4-6(like 3.6-6.4)
  26. Solomon Grundy: 6-4
  27. Superman: 3-7
  28. Wonder Woman: 4-6(Maybe 3-7)
  29. Zod lol idk
30. Zatanna lol idk
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I agree with quite alot of these numbers, Charts go either way sometimes though.
Also Batgirl should just be 10-10 for everyone if you guess wrong anyone is fucked lol.
 
zoofs

zoofs

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how does he still win the lobo matchup? id say its even.. dont get how he wins against scorpion, bane, and catwoman either.

i would say superman is 4-6 at worst too. hawkgirl is definitely not 7-3 lol maybe 6-4
 
Derptile

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zoofs said:
how does he still win the lobo matchup? id say its even.. dont get how he wins against scorpion, bane, and catwoman either.

i would say superman is 4-6 at worst too. hawkgirl is definitely not 7-3 lol maybe 6-4
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I've never had any trouble whatsoever with Lobo or Lobo players so I put him as 6-4 on the DERPTILE MU chart.

And know for some more reasonable explanations

Scorpion: Scorpion unsafe as fuk on everything so it's easy to knock him down and start up command grab shenanigans, his mobility is pretty doo-doo, and his wakeups for the "most part" can be read and dealt with accordingly.

Bane: Grappler characters in general have trouble with shazam since we can just hop around the screen and they have to catch us. Shazam has a much easier time with bane thanks to teleport so his dirt becomes far less intimidating. If bane is running away it's easy for us to catch his thanks to our mobility and ex torpedo will catch unpatient bane players.

Catwoman: Catwoman character who's job is just to mix you up and then combo you, outside of that aspect she's very honest and that gives shazam an advantage. Our mobility is better than hers, so it's easier for us to get in or get out. All of her wakeups can be stuffed(except trait) and it's not difficult either so she has to respect you massively on wakeup or get f22-reset-cmd grabbed everytime.

Basically my MU chart is based off of how good you can lame out shazam, if you can then it's gonna be tough, if you can't then you'll have an easier time (and how good your wakeups are).
 
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