I agree that this is close to a 5-5. Its a weird MU. I have anti MMH Tech. If you stay on MMH it can be a problem for him. Shazam is able to punish overhead teleport if MMH doesnt do anything. if he does you can punish with torpedo or B23. His command grab range can also be a problem for MMH. One thing MMH can do is say fuck Shazam WU which sucks. Also Shazam can teleport into mind blast and not get hurt in some instances.
Zyphox has most likely leveled far past me at this point but we used to play the mu alot pre patch. Shazam has mad jump attacks, Flash has problems with it. Flash needs to get in, shazam likes that. Post patch, HM grab is better than f2 and b2 in range. With trait there damage is pretty much the same, shazam gets his trait alot more tho. Shazam can play super lame in this mu and Flash can't exactly use charge to start his offence with the risk. the best part in this mu is they both dont care about interactables lol shazam still has thee edge on them cuz of otg setups. there are somethings where shazam has the edge like in the corner, but then Flash can be a shit show =p dat rush down is bullets fast and its hard to make the space
If Zyphox is at the break next week ill play him in casuals to test the MU. I need to get into the motion of feeling myself during games more. Thats when i play at my best. Its also when i start to care less about stuff. Silent Jay has played me when im feeling myself. Its scary.
playing shazam makes me feel myself
i see what your saying tho, I wish shazams b2 was 0 on block so he can be brain dead. brain dead characters have level head players lol when I play Superman i feel invincible but I play like a scrubby dubby swiffer wet jet scrub. feeling yourself just comes naturally when you can abuse f2 cuz "its all you" in your head lol
B2 Torpedo is your best friend. Max range on torpedo makes it hard to hit.playing shazam makes me feel myself
but i want a b2 into another b2 to setup a b2 so i can b2 when my b2 gets blocked or hits like green lantern players
LOL. But we have a good comeback mechanic. If you active Trait. Do F22 Then the generic Combo reset. Then Super its 100% Damage.
Just because you go even with one Joker doesn't mean the MU is 5-5. I play the matchup much differently and every Shazam who has played me can vouch for it. Joker has more damage, better zoning and the ability to not let Shazam teleport on wakeup. With the new crowbar buffs you now have to deal with our corner game.
w/e man but I'm positive shazam doesn't lose to joker
Is this how matchups are decided around here? Why not discuss tools and situations instead of how you do against one particular player?
Because theory fighting is dumb and useless.I'm going by my personal experiences instead of oh if you do this, Ima do that BS.I played this match-up bout 100 times already its even.
So just 100 games vs one player with one playstyle online means it's 5-5? And actually explaining what Dark might not be doing is theory fighting
Fine then I'll explain....First off all ,Joker has a slight advantage against shazam in zoning, but because Joker's gunshots tend to miss if shazam is throwing a lightning bolt it's not so effective. Shazam's D2 which is terribly underrated can punish Joker's j3 if timed correctly but it can be tricky cause of his jump arc sometimes but its doable.Unless Joker ends a combo with MB crowbar he can't oki shazam at all.His teeth set-ups don't work unless its in the corner which is hard to keep shazam in.But teleport can be baited and punished on read and that's the last place you wanna be against joker.
Shazam has the advantage in a close range fight because of his command grabs with 2,2 HM , AC or torped or I could just dash up HM or Torpedo.Joker on the other hand can punish reckless torpedo's with B1,3 I think that's the string with the low into overhead correct me if I'm wrong.The Shazam player just has to be careful against Joker's B1 mixups like B1~crowbar and such but the MU imo is fairly even you might play differently but I doubt it sways the MU much at all.
Thank you.Fine then I'll explain....First off all ,Joker has a slight advantage against shazam in zoning, but because Joker's gunshots tend to miss if shazam is throwing a lightning bolt it's not so effective. Shazam's D2 which is terribly underrated can punish Joker's j3 if timed correctly but it can be tricky cause of his jump arc sometimes but its doable.Unless Joker ends a combo with MB crowbar he can't oki shazam at all.His teeth set-ups don't work unless its in the corner which is hard to keep shazam in.But teleport can be baited and punished on read and that's the last place you wanna be against joker.
I did say you get torpedo and HM setups if I don't wake up.
One thing I have to say about that.
Did you not read my post before replying? Crowbar. You cannot wake up out of that.
When you spoke about the crowbar I did not see you saying that you cannot wake up out of it, I don't see how our Invincible teleport is beat by a crowbar though. -.-
Remember shazam doesn't need to dash up right into your face to catch you with HM anymore.If you start to jump back or backdash I can just torpedo MB which gives me like 4 options after, I can either cross you up, go for HM or AC, grab or continue pressure.You probably won't wake up with the flower because of the threat of the cross up which I can get 51% if I land it.Also Joker only can punish torpedo if its done from a distance, like most characters.Also you can delay gunshots which slightly more effective it just means I need to be more patient when trying to close in.Compared to characters like Raven, Sinestro, and Deathstroke it 's not that tough.
You cant
Why can't you Teleport past the crowbar???You cant
In a combo... Crowbar OTGs. Crowbar used in a combo. Shazam no wake up.
Well...idk why all I know is when I tried I got blown up for it lol
Ahhh yes the OTG