Strategy Doomsday's weaknesses.

[Zyphox]

Ive been looking to play you sir. Add me. I havent played many. Some here and there. Add me on both. What are your user names for both?

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XBL is Zyphox i added you already
PSN is Zyphox___ 3 underscores i'll add you when i get on that tomorrow to practice for the break since they use Ps3.

 

[16 Bit]

Actually, she can do B113 to full combo punish.

We had a tournament last sunday and Nivek was doing it every single time he was out of distance for the 2nd hit of shake

http://www.twitch.tv/zaelock/b/474091538

What are you talking about?

 

[Noobe]

XBL is Zyphox i added you already
PSN is Zyphox___ 3 underscores i'll add you when i get on that tomorrow to practice for the break since they use Ps3.

Ok cool. I just added you on both

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[Qwark28]

What are you talking about?

Earth shake whiffs at certain points when it comes to the low part, which is what I think you meant by avoid, if it whiffs it can be punished for full combo.

 

[16 Bit]

Earth shake whiffs at certain points when it comes to the low part, which is what I think you meant by avoid, if it whiffs it can be punished for full combo.

We're talking about Catwoman's High Feline Evade. You're not even following the conversation but have to be a MU cop.

 

[Nutrient]

I've never seen Superman lose to Doomsday

Period.

 

[Qwark28]

We're talking about Catwoman's High Feline Evade. You're not even following the conversation but have to be a MU cop.

I assumed that by evade you meant whiffing the second hit of shake, my bad.

 

[Metzos]

Oh so I've been losing a 7-3 match up all along.

What are you talking about?

 

[Metzos]

Broken? For those who can't block. I've played other DDs and block just fine and win. So I don't want to hear that. You may need a better connection or go practice blocking. I've played other top players and have blocked me and beat me online before. So I don't know what you're talking about.

And no I don't have much offline footage. It is what it is. Had to use a webcam the footage is somewhat watchable. If you want to learn to use it if not then oh well. Like I said I'm using Avermedia now to stream and record so the quality will be perfect. Subscribe and stay tuned and when I play top players then everyone will be able to kick back and enjoy.


I'm calling out all the good players with their respective characters to come challenge me whenever. The more the better. Let's see who shows up.

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You cant compare an online environment to an offline environment. No matter how good the connection is, online will always be online. Period. This is a fundamental rule for all online fg's. I main DD... I m not complaining about ES, on the contrary, i m saying that move alone does not win matches, as many tend to believe in this community. You believe DD destroys almost everyone? We ll just agree to disagree then.

 

[M2Dave]

Lol apparently very wrong. Again always good games playing you. But that character isnt going to cut it unless your running all day. And im under the impression he is a zoner and a jumper. Let me know when your ready to play again.

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Very good games, indeed. I enjoy fighting you.

But Doomsday is a character like Mileena, who preys on gimmicks and unfamiliarity. You are not going to be hitting people with earth shaker 90% of the time in six months / one year from now. You will have to earn your damage.

 

[Metzos]

Very good games, indeed. I enjoy fighting you.

But Doomsday is a character like Mileena, who preys on gimmicks and unfamiliarity. You are not going to be hitting people with earth shaker 90% of the time in six months / one year from now. You will have to earn your damage.

This. Fucking thank you.

 

[STORMBEARDFIREHAMMER]

Very good games, indeed. I enjoy fighting you.

But Doomsday is a character like Mileena, who preys on gimmicks and unfamiliarity. You are not going to be hitting people with earth shaker 90% of the time in six months / one year from now. You will have to earn your damage.

doomsday is the new sub-zero, he is a one trick pony who is a pain in the ass in the corner... you have to play his game but if you play patient you win because he doesn't have enough umph

 

[M2Dave]

This. Fucking thank you.

Remember Evolution 2011 and REO's Mileena? Nobody had any clue whatsoever how to punish regular and MB telekick aside from Perfect Legend's Kung Lao, who has the easiest telekick punish in the game. A year later, every serious tournament player learned how to punish the telekicks. Likewise, a year from now on, no serious tournament player will get hit by d+1 xx earth shaker.

 

[Nivek]

correct me if i am wrong.. doesn't cw have also bf1 for wake up?anyway..having a perfect wake up is the one that has combo,range,full invisible,non jumpable and safe properties..none has that good wake up..cw catdash is a good wake up even that is punishable..it gives combo..it should be punishable..the trait that has better properties but can be jumped is not a problem..ex catdash wins neutral jumps..the good wake ups are punishable to avoid braindead usage..so having 2 wake up covering all the properties catdash and ex range,combo,non jumpable and trait safe,full invisible then yes 16bit cw wake ups are awesome..!

 

[16 Bit]

Cat Claws(b,f+1) is also not fully invincible so it gets stuffed the same as Dash.

Your wakeup is not awesome when you don't even have access to it half the time. A big part of having it and how much damage it does comes down to chance. Without the full context her trait is a very good wakeup attack. It is actually just ok.

 

[16 Bit]

buff selina

 

[GGA Saucy Jack]

Noobe gets it.

es stuffs both catdash and catclaws on wakeup everytime if you have practiced the timing. Its reliable.

If doomy has a life lead, catwoman must approach him. She only has 4 options.

j2
Dash up
Low whip
Yolo cat dash

J2 gets anti aired
Dash in isnt safe for anyone
Low whip is -30 something on block
lol yolo cat dash

And as for jump2, yes, its a great jump attack, no denying that. But at the distance she has to do it to not get anti air grabbed, there is no 50/50, the low whiffs.

Catwomans damage is good, she can stall doomys trait, and when she can use the 50/50 it can be a bad day for doomy. But these tools are what save her from getting her back blown out.

5-5

Edit: ninja edited to not be a jerk and insult people. Trying to keep it on point.

 

[GGA Saucy Jack]

As for the ES getting blocked thing.

Agree, the community will continue to level up, and more and more of them will be blocked. No argument from me there. But lets look at that move a bit.

When it is fully blocked, Doomy builds crazy meter, and does half the moves actual damage (appx) in chip.

Also, a lot ot the time people get hit by it (even now) they just get hit by the low which does jack shit for damage anyways.

Hes still safe after ES, so he is basically building up hella meter for free when he is in. And we know how Doomy feels about meter.

His damage doesnt come because people cant block ES. Sure its nice, im not complaining, but its when Doomy is standing at Venom range, with bars in stock, ane his opponent has to just wait. This is where Doomy makes hay.

This range, your opponent doesnt get to play the game. 5hey have to wait to see it you are going to venom, which unlike other characters, gives DD the ability to just dash up and go into his Doomy shit.

Thats where Doomy gets his damage, not people being 8ncapable of blocking ES.

 

[Noobe]

Remember Evolution 2011 and REO's Mileena? Nobody had any clue whatsoever how to punish regular and MB telekick aside from Perfect Legend's Kung Lao, who has the easiest telekick punish in the game. A year later, every serious tournament player learned how to punish the telekicks. Likewise, a year from now on, no serious tournament player will get hit by d+1 xx earth shaker.

Ok so show me then? Go into training mode and figure something out. Ive already done that and know how it works. Only a couple of characters can retaliate after a blocked ES. And thats because of easy mode normals. He is only negative 1. Unless it whiffs on you which only happens when your out of range for the low or your sinestro or harley then i dont see much happening. So whenever you guys are ready to stop walking down memory lane and get some action going let me know. All this talk is getting boring.

 

[Metzos]

Noobe gets it.

es stuffs both catdash and catclaws on wakeup everytime if you have practiced the timing. Its reliable.

If doomy has a life lead, catwoman must approach him. She only has 4 options.

j2
Dash up
Low whip
Yolo cat dash

J2 gets anti aired
Dash in isnt safe for anyone
Low whip is -30 something on block
lol yolo cat dash

And as for jump2, yes, its a great jump attack, no denying that. But at the distance she has to do it to not get anti air grabbed, there is no 50/50, the low whiffs.

Catwomans damage is good, she can stall doomys trait, and when she can use the 50/50 it can be a bad day for doomy. But these tools are what save her from getting her back blown out.

5-5

Edit: ninja edited to not be a jerk and insult people. Trying to keep it on point.

And again i am saying that this thread is not about MU numbers. Its about comparing tools. Keep it on topic plz. ES does stuff cat dash if you get the timing right yes and it builds great meter on block, but that move alone will not give DD wins in the future. Why cant no one understand that?

 

[Metzos]

Ok so show me then? Go into training mode and figure something out. Ive already done that and know how it works. Only a couple of characters can retaliate after a blocked ES. And thats because of easy mode normals. He is only negative 1. Unless it whiffs on you which only happens when your out of range for the low or your sinestro or harley then i dont see much happening. So whenever you guys are ready to stop walking down memory lane and get some action going let me know. All this talk is getting boring.

It happens with WW as well most of the time. If you dont space ES correctly, you get punished for 40% dmg. When people learn to space themselves correctly and bait incoming ES's, there is not much DD can do from there.

 

[GGA Saucy Jack]

And again i am saying that this thread is not about MU numbers. Its about comparing tools. Keep it on topic plz. ES does stuff cat dash if you get the timing right yes and it builds great meter on block, but that move alone will not give DD wins in the future. Why cant no one understand that?

Here is your explanation.

Its not about ES alone.

Its about ES, and d1, and venom, and anti air grab, and body splash, and trait.

When you have meter...and are in venom range....your opponent doesnt get to play the game.

Ill say it again.

They. Dont. Get. To. Play. The. Game.

They have to sit, and wait for your shoulder. So you essentially get to do whatever in gods name you want.

When you have trait up, your opponent again is forced to play your game.

Doomsday imposes his will constantly. ES just build meter. Its a safe string ender. Its a safe d1XXspecial.

DD wins because everyone has to sit and hold block while DD does whatever he wants, because they must respect shoulder.

 

[Espio]

Broken? For those who can't block. I've played other DDs and block just fine and win. So I don't want to hear that. You may need a better connection or go practice blocking. I've played other top players and have blocked me and beat me online before. So I don't know what you're talking about.

And no I don't have much offline footage. It is what it is. Had to use a webcam the footage is somewhat watchable. If you want to learn to use it if not then oh well. Like I said I'm using Avermedia now to stream and record so the quality will be perfect. Subscribe and stay tuned and when I play top players then everyone will be able to kick back and enjoy.


I'm calling out all the good players with their respective characters to come challenge me whenever. The more the better. Let's see who shows up.

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I'd really love some Doomsday experience with Hawkgirl and Martian Manhunter as I rarely ever get to fight really good Doomsday players with either of them, those are some of my favorite match ups too.

PSN is Espio872 .

 

[A New Angel Is Advent]

I don't know why tiers are always such a big deal. I think some people forget that matchup numbers are based on the hypothetical situation that the two players are EQUAL in skill. A lot of the time it just boils down to the other player being better, except for maybe at the highest level.

I wish people would spend more time playing the game and coming up with new tech rather than devoting so much energy to arguing who's tier list is the most accurate or what the number is for specific match ups. Because in the end I don't think it really benefits anyone. You can say "oh raven vs gl is 6-4 raven" to any gl player and they won't learn a thing. You can explain WHY the matchup is tilted in her favor, that helps, but it seems all people care about is the number.

If the character is mid tier, it's not an excuse to why you lose. If you want a top tier character, pick one. But if won't be a solid reason why you win. (Not directed at op, just speaking generally)

This is the most accurate post I've read in a while. DD has a lot of underused options that are just starting to be fleshed out and replace his more gimmicky mid level play.

 

[Noobe]

I'd really love some Doomsday experience with Hawkgirl and Martian Manhunter as I rarely ever get to fight really good Doomsday players with either of them, those are some of my favorite match ups too.

PSN is Espio872 .

Ok cool. Feel free to add me or i will when i get a chance to get on my ps3

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