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Qwark28

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I've played it offline too, and even though you say you don't theory talk it doesn't change the fact that you're wrong about the MU.
Theres a reason its in our favour, and its not because we just let him run amok with trait popped.
Except I actually play good players and that player happens to be one of the best doomsdays.

Metzos
 

Qwark28

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That's fine and dandy, but I play my fair share and even ran into quite a few at EVO.
Do you Bane against Metzos? Frequently? Can I see some sets?
EVO was 4 months ago and quite honestly, most of the top 8 was sub-par and superman zoning was actually considered strong lol.

I'll get some footage this sunday after our tournament
 

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
EVO was 4 months ago and quite honestly, most of the top 8 was sub-par and superman zoning was actually considered strong lol.

I'll get some footage this sunday after our tournament
The Doomsdays in the pools were still quite good, and 4 months ago was much earlier when DDs had the same tools he does now. If anything, its harder because people were still figuring out counter-play to it. Also Bane was a decent amount worse.

Sounds dandy.
 

Qwark28

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The Doomsdays in the pools were still quite good, and 4 months ago was much earlier when DDs had the same tools he does now. If anything, its harder because people were still figuring out counter-play to it. Also Bane was a decent amount worse.

Sounds dandy.
In general the lvl of play was MUCH lower than it is now and a lot of new tech had not been found.

Sounds da-
 

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
Could be but I've been playing Bane since launch and the same occurs for my offline partners.
I personally find it odd that you say this yet felt you could d.2 venomed Bane out of his MB VU in the gap.
Perhaps Chakk is right. I mean lots of people play Bane, even PL plays Bane, but playing Bane and being a good or knowledgeable one isn't the same thing. I mean I've played Joker, but I'm not a knowledgeable Joker, no matter how long I've been playing him.

Time doesn't make up for skill.
 

Qwark28

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I personally find it odd that you say this yet felt you could d.2 venomed Bane out of his MB VU in the gap.
Perhaps Chakk is right. I mean lots of people play Bane, even PL plays Bane, but playing Bane and being a good or knowledgeable one isn't the same thing. I mean I've played Joker, but I'm not a knowledgeable Joker, no matter how long I've been playing him.

Time doesn't make up for skill.
I clearly specified every possible situation to punish Bane's VU.

Skill is of no concern, I've been playing fighting games for quite some time and never been outside of a top 2 in over 10 tournaments I've been to. If you want to compare skill, where's footage of your bane?
 

Doombawkz

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I clearly specified every possible situation to punish Bane's VU.

Skill is of no concern, I've been playing fighting games for quite some time and never been outside of a top 2 in over 10 tournaments I've been to. If you want to compare skill, where's footage of your bane?
Yes, after it was revealed that you, indeed, cannot do a d.2 to interrupt it even though you tried to post a video of you doing so to an unvenomed Bane. Like barring the Mb b.3/f.3, every other one of your ideas fell apart.

That's nice, but have you been doing it with Bane? I've yet to catch any word of "Qwark continues to place top 2 with Bane over in Greece." and I'm usually pretty prime on my Bane players. As far as skill, I'm not a skilled Bane so much as a knowledgeable one, as in knowing what the best options are in fighting certain MUs. Even still, I can sometimes trade sets with Max and I'm sure if it weren't laggy I could probably go even with Bipolar too (though those are mirror matches), but I live too far away from any scene to compete.
 

Qwark28

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Yes, after it was revealed that you, indeed, cannot do a d.2 to interrupt it even though you tried to post a video of you doing so to an unvenomed Bane. Like barring the Mb b.3/f.3, every other one of your ideas fell apart.

That's nice, but have you been doing it with Bane? I've yet to catch any word of "Qwark continues to place top 2 with Bane over in Greece." and I'm usually pretty prime on my Bane players. As far as skill, I'm not a skilled Bane so much as a knowledgeable one, as in knowing what the best options are in fighting certain MUs. Even still, I can sometimes trade sets with Max and I'm sure if it weren't laggy I could probably go even with Bipolar too (though those are mirror matches), but I live too far away from any scene to compete.
I know bane's tools and I've been playing him for some time, not as a main or a secondary but I can play him well enough, I've also played vs multiple doomsdays ( Metzos, PL, Noobe ) and we even have a Bane main playing with Metzos other than me. The knowledgeable arguement can also go both ways.

The Venom part was a correction. None of my ideas fell apart, it showed exactly what to do in particular situations.
 

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
I know bane's tools and I've been playing him for some time, not as a main or a secondary but I can play him well enough, I've also played vs multiple doomsdays ( Metzos, PL, Noobe ) and we even have a Bane main playing with Metzos other than me. The knowledgeable arguement can also go both ways.

The Venom part was a correction. None of my ideas fell apart, it showed exactly what to do in particular situations.
Do you? You still make pretty obvious mistakes when referring to his skill-set, and its more often than not. I've seen you try to inch your way in on a set of arguments that, looking at them, show a very basic understanding of the character as a whole but that's the sum of it. If I had to choose between you or myself as a knowledgeable Bane, removing all personal bias, I still wouldn't consider you on even the same tier. Maybe like on the same tier as the KF forums as far as being Bane-smart.

Your ideas were:
d.2 him inbetween the gaps (failed on everything non-venom)
Punish him on block (failed for everything not point-blank)
Backdash out (failed and also prevented punish on block on the off occation it works)
Mb b/f.3 , which works on everything.

So yes, literally every idea barring the one that works for everything failed.
 

Qwark28

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Do you? You still make pretty obvious mistakes when referring to his skill-set, and its more often than not. I've seen you try to inch your way in on a set of arguments that, looking at them, show a very basic understanding of the character as a whole but that's the sum of it. If I had to choose between you or myself as a knowledgeable Bane, removing all personal bias, I still wouldn't consider you on even the same tier. Maybe like on the same tier as the KF forums as far as being Bane-smart.

Your ideas were:
d.2 him inbetween the gaps (failed on everything non-venom)
Punish him on block (failed for everything not point-blank)
Backdash out (failed and also prevented punish on block on the off occation it works)
Mb b/f.3 , which works on everything.

So yes, literally every idea barring the one that works for everything failed.
I don't understand how we went from one matchup into a discussion of credibility when I'm the one playing offline and learning the matchups...

But I'll humour you one last time


D2 in between gaps ( works on everything non-venom )
punish him on block ( works unless bane does it from jump distance and further which is straight up dumb as you yourself said, fyi D1s have reach )

FORWARD dash out.

MB F3 delayed, which works on everything not lvl 3. I can nitpick too.
 

Doombawkz

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I don't understand how we went from one matchup into a discussion of credibility when I'm the one playing offline and learning the matchups...

But I'll humour you one last time


D2 in between gaps ( works on everything non-venom )
punish him on block ( works unless bane does it from jump distance and further which is straight up dumb as you yourself said, fyi D1s have reach )

FORWARD dash out.

MB F3 delayed, which works on everything not lvl 3. I can nitpick too.
Because you are claiming my process to be flawed and using your experience as backing, which I'm calling into question because on the few issues we do disagree on you decide that you need to prove you are right. Also, your credibility is very questionable and I'd hate for people reading to get the wrong information from someone that is of questionable merit.

Please do.

Bane wouldn't be doing it non-venom.

Works unless Bane does it from jump distance, peak VU distance, etc? Yes. Why Bane would be doing VU over DP at point blank is very questionable. As to me saying doing it further is dumb, its +13 at max range. Any range that's not "I'm in your face touching your character model right now" can be buffered into armor before being punished.

Doesn't work for a decent amount of the cast, and especially not from non-point blank range. Also you have to be absurdly fast to do it, and a misread costs you a punish.

MB f.3 delayed works on everything, even outside of level 3 Bane and traited supes. You can stop DD with a delayed Mb f.3 as long as you aren't getting hit by the first pop of Venom.
 

PND_Ketchup

"More deadly than the dawn"
I swear 90% of Testyourmight doesn't realize that Qwark is actually a very good offline competitor.

The Greek players are no joke, and have been playing NRS games for as we all have. And have been playing Tekken before that for even longer.
 

Doombawkz

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I swear 90% of Testyourmight doesn't realize that Qwark is actually a very good offline competitor.
I don't doubt he is a good player, but a good Bane player? That I have to question.

I know he is probably the best Joker in the world, never have I called into question his skill with anyone else barring Bane.
 

PND_Ketchup

"More deadly than the dawn"
I don't doubt he is a good player, but a good Bane player? That I have to question.

I know he is probably the best Joker in the world, never have I called into question his skill with anyone else barring Bane.
Just because you don't know about something or someone's character doesn't mean that automatically means you're right.

This needs to be addressed to a lot of people on this website.
 

Chakk dizzle

That's baaaaane
I don't think anyone is saying qwark is bad. I was just refering to bane matchup experience, AS bane. Lets not get back into the mb vu debate again.

To get back on the original discussion, I strongly believe bane beats doomsday 6-4.
 

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
Just because you don't know about something or someone's character doesn't mean that automatically means you're right.

This needs to be addressed to a lot of people on this website.
If it were just one thing I'd understand, but when you make a video punishing unvenomed MB VUs and claim the results are solid, and then go on to say that going level 3 against DD is worse when he is on low resource than just letting him freely pressure you and gain more meter is the better choice, yes I do have to question his level of Bane skills and knowledge.

Joker, yeah I don't question him outside of "How u do dis", but when it comes to my main and someone asking for advice on a particular MU, I should go and ensure he is getting the right info.
 

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
I don't think anyone is saying qwark is bad. I was just refering to bane matchup experience, AS bane. Lets not get back into the mb vu debate again.

To get back on the original discussion, I strongly believe bane beats doomsday 6-4.
5.5-4.5, since its entirely based on your ability to be able to block his shenanigans and react appropriately. You also have to be better at meter management.

6-4 is more for people whom we don't have to manage so many factors at once, and just have to focus on breaking them in the neutral and oki, or people whom we have to manage but don't have problems (I.E. DD trait) that we need to address.
 
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It's really just dealing with traited DD that I was having issues, but I've started to figure it out. When I posted my initial question I literally had no clue what to do against him, since it seemed like all of my options got me killed and I had no way to keep him out.
 

Doombawkz

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It's really just dealing with traited DD that I was having issues, but I've started to figure it out. When I posted my initial question I literally had no clue what to do against him, since it seemed like all of my options got me killed and I had no way to keep him out.
Long as it works for you, I guess. Worst come to, just hit him with a continuous stream of b.1s.
 
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Long as it works for you, I guess. Worst come to, just hit him with a continuous stream of b.1s.
Ha, I did try that but I have issues timing them correctly online. I'm still new to playing Bane seriously, though, so it's just a matter of practice. I did managed to take out back-to-back Zatanna counterpick bitches, though! =D