Match-up Discussion Shazams true Match up Chart.

[MashPotatoTower]

WOAH!!!!? iv never played Pig in my life

 

[DarkPage]

Real shit this thread has brought more attention to shazam just today than the last couple months combined

 

[ZigZag]

For what it's worth, both GGA pimpimjim and I agree that Adam messes up Shazam pretty bad. I think the last time we ran it was pre-patch; we'll have to try it again to see what difference the changes made.

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Probably not a huge amount then because Shazams MU's haven't changed a huge deal after patch and I hear Black Adams nerfs still didn't change him all that much either.

 

[Duck Nation]

I want to buy this thread flowers, take it to a nice dinner and have sex with it.

I still want to understand how people think Shazam is so dangerous when he has almost exactly the same gameplan as Frost, except being slower, weaker and less safe. Hell, even the one thing he does "well" in getting out of oki gives him essentially no reward and can still get blown up by a lot of people on a read.

 

[EGP Awesomo]

For what it's worth, both GGA pimpimjim and I agree that Adam messes up Shazam pretty bad. I think the last time we ran it was pre-patch; we'll have to try it again to see what difference the changes made.

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Me and chef ran 2 ft5's shazam(me) and bladam(chef) the vise versa. It kinda feels like it's shazams favor

 

[zoofs]

Real shit this thread has brought more attention to shazam just today than the last couple months combined

this is true, and while its good it was mostly just generated from negative stuff. Zigzag did sort of deserve it though with the whole "true" matchup chart title and then disagreeing with people posting their opinions about mu's. If he had started just an empty matchup thread with only the very obvious matchups, then asked for discussion this would be fine.. which it sort of now is I guess, so im not sure why people are still arguing.

 

[Heroic_Legacy]

RAWR ANGRY PEOPLE SMASH THREAD.

I'll post a write up on a few matchups soon since I might know a few things about torpedos and grabs.

 

[zoofs]

i think the op is somewhat more accurate now, just change gl to at least 4-6 and reverse the numbers with black adam as you made it look like shazam wins 7-3

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

A thread that someone doesn't even update the OP of? Good rebuttal

A living MU chart made by active Shazam players will contain more relevant information and will be ultimately more open to discussion. And, believe it or not, that's been achieved; this thread already has more pages than the original MU chart.

Thats why i recommended all original threads be purged pre patch after the new patch dropped

 

[Doombawkz]

But this is why Tom and other "pros" don't post very often. They try to give their opinion, and although it may sound cocky or arrogant, they get blown up for it.

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"No good comes from hero worship"

 

[Doombawkz]

Listen I will absolutely destroy this dude's shazam

Those videos are bullshit because they're not new, we know this stuff week 1 of meaty attacks stuffing wake ups w no true invincibility

This thread will accomplish nothing

I play the best shazams and they lose to me then THIS GUY will definitely get mopped

Sorry I'm late, took a nap. Uhhhh lets see... *puts on tiny reading glasses*

Who cares... that's probably the only response that line needs.


Its managed to bring the Shazam forums more discussion and attention than its had in a while. Also, gives everyone a good look at how not to post in a constructive thread via your posts. Though no doubt you'll probably blow us up in your kryptonite council thingy, but hey people are labbing him a bit now to look for more tech thanks to those videos.

You're right, its not new, So I wonder how its still 6-4 minimum considering his dash game is superb and he blows up the wake-ups and sweetspots the respect for free. Also blowing up people like BA's cage which is true invincibility.

And we come full circle. Who cares? You're beating up a character with less tech than the Cyborg forums and less representation as well. I've played the best Hawkgirls and gone even before the last 2 buffs to him, and I'm probably one of the more terrible Banes playing-wise. Should I assume that Hawkgirl v Bane is now a 6-4 minimum because Max can probably mop all of them for free? Also weren't you guys saying in the last KC that "You can't make a MU number based on a set, or even a couple sets, because there's so many ways of playing a character etc etc"? At this stage in the game, people are just now making new anti-Bane tactics so you saying its a 6-4 minimum is as wasted as him saying its not because your buddies might be playing the MU entirely wrong and you wouldn't even know it.

 

[Vocket]

"No good comes from hero worship"

Dat injustice lex story mode quote.

 

[Doombawkz]

Dat injustice lex story mode quote.

If you want to get technical, I was actually aiming for Shazam's clash quote of "Enough Hero Worship!" against Superman but Lex's works better.

 

[Shawi]

Good morning,
What I don't understand is the level of inconsistency amongst the top players. Tom will come along and slate the shaman forums for thinking shazam is bad and asking for buffs but then come here and tell us how he loses a gazillion matchups. Same goes for you pig. Absolutely you'd destroy my Shazam and pretty much any shazam but I am not a top level player and neither is ZigZag, so can everyone just let us have our "amateur" "non top level" matchup discussion and the rest of you just leave.
Thanks.

 

[ZigZag]

Switched BA's numbers around I did accidentally put them the wrong way round.
These MU's are pretty much all close as can be atm I truely believe, whether it's on the level of semi pro's or full on pro's, LBSH there's only a handful of people who can really play a character at max potential here, but alot of us get close, We don't all know every single match up and how every character must approach another character which is good to see it from all angles, I want to play some good HG players soon and see if it's as bad as it's been suggested here or not.

It would also help if other people ran sets and gave their opinions on the MU, still some missing MU's.

 

[BlackBryan]

I totally agree that Black Adam destroys Shazam. That match-up is horrible and it makes me hate this game. That being said, Black Adam is dumb for 92% of the cast and should be shot in the face. 7-3 @ best. Only because It only takes 3 mistakes for Shazam to win if everything goes according to plan during the match. I think Hawkgirl is 5-5. But then again, it's been a while since I've played a good Hawkgirl. @ Espio and AspyxiaDyslexia- we should change that .

Also: I might just be free to Zod, that is very very possible, but @ AK Pig Of The Hut bodied me at TFC. I agree with Pig here, but i would love to be proven wrong.
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[juicepouch]

Thats why i recommended all original threads be purged pre patch after the new patch dropped

I actually like that idea a lot, but what exactly is the difference between purging the old thread and simply having a new one? I feel like at this point we're down to arguing semantics

 

[IrishMantis]

i think Shazams Worst MU is AM and you have Shazam beating him

why
-Shazam needs to be close, AM destroys him close
-Shazam needs cross over, AM D2
-If Shazam can be in close range jumping range, then does hat means he needs to be full screen, no Because AM can Zone

 

[Espio]

I totally agree that Black Adam destroys Shazam. That match-up is horrible and it makes me hate this game. That being said, Black Adam is dumb for 92% of the cast and should be shot in the face. 7-3 @ best. Only because It only takes 3 mistakes for Shazam to win if everything goes according to plan during the match. I think Hawkgirl is 5-5. But then again, it's been a while since I've played a good Hawkgirl. Espio and AspyxiaDyslexia- we should change that .

Also: I might just be free to Zod, that is very very possible, but @ AK Pig Of The Hut bodied me at TFC. I agree with Pig here, but i would love to be proven wrong.

It might be 5-5 or 6-4 Hawkgirl, I'm not 100% sure, but if anybody wins it's her. I'm usually on at night so feel free to message me whenever you see me on .

 

[Uber]

i think Shazams Worst MU is AM and you have Shazam beating him

why
-Shazam needs to be close, AM destroys him close
-Shazam needs cross over, AM D2
-If Shazam can be in close range jumping range, then does hat means he needs to be full screen, no Because AM can Zone

-Shazam doesn't get killed up close. Your HM and B2 have just as much range as anything AM has. Closer, you still goT things like D2 and D1.
-Don't jump at him stupidly
-Don't stay full screen, AM can't full screen zone unless you let him

Knock him down and pressure him on wakeup. AM doesn't have the best tools to stop you from that.
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[EMPRESS_SunFire]

I totally agree that Black Adam destroys Shazam. That match-up is horrible and it makes me hate this game. That being said, Black Adam is dumb for 92% of the cast and should be shot in the face. 7-3 @ best. Only because It only takes 3 mistakes for Shazam to win if everything goes according to plan during the match. I think Hawkgirl is 5-5. But then again, it's been a while since I've played a good Hawkgirl. @ Espio and AspyxiaDyslexia- we should change that .

Also: I might just be free to Zod, that is very very possible, but @ AK Pig Of The Hut bodied me at TFC. I agree with Pig here, but i would love to be proven wrong.
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[Mortal Komhat]

You're beating up a character with less tech than the Cyborg forums and less representation as well.

Honestly, I don't think there's a lot of tech that will push Shazam up anywhere. We know how to optimize damage after certain set-ups but we don't know how to place people in those set-ups. From my understanding we've tried many things and... well, nothing works. We can't open them up without a read, and I don't believe for a second that anyone in the FGC, not just NRS games, the whole FGC, has the patience required to learn enough about I:GAU as Shazam to make those types of reads.

You say it's a shame that a character with so much potential is being kicked to the curb, but I'm really not seeing that much potential in this character. Maybe at first, but the patch didn't change much for him other than opening b23 as something you might want to do.

 

[ZigZag]

Honestly, I don't think there's a lot of tech that will push Shazam up anywhere. We know how to optimize damage after certain set-ups but we don't know how to place people in those set-ups. From my understanding we've tried many things and... well, nothing works. We can't open them up without a read, and I don't believe for a second that anyone in the FGC, not just NRS games, the whole FGC, has the patience required to learn enough about I:GAU as Shazam to make those types of reads.

You say it's a shame that a character with so much potential is being kicked to the curb, but I'm really not seeing that much potential in this character. Maybe at first, but the patch didn't change much for him other than opening b23 as something you might want to do.

I am...

 

[Heroic_Legacy]

We can't open them up without a read.

I mean, that's the basis of a mixup in the first place...You make the read the opponent won't block something and do it. It happens, sometimes mixups aren't safe. Making reads is part of playing fighting games.

 

[Mortal Komhat]

I mean, that's the basis of a mixup in the first place...You make the read the opponent won't block something and do it.

Pretty sure a mix-up is placing the opponent in a situation that he has to guess which way to block, which implies advantage on the guy doing the mix-up, whereas a read is something more YOLO, I thought.

We need to get educated on most of the cast anyway, and that'll take a while to establish.