Match-up Discussion Shazams true Match up Chart.

[A F0xy Grampa]

No matchup charts are legit, that's the truth.

How many of you can honestly say you've played ENOUGH high quality players for EVERY character to even comment.
It's not even like people are comparing the theory either, which would make more sense.

 

[Zoidberg747]

No matchup charts are legit, that's the truth.

How many of you can honestly say you've played ENOUGH high quality players for EVERY character to even comment.
It's not even like people are comparing the theory either, which would make more sense.

Most of them are not supposed to be set in stone, they are just discussion starters.

I completely agree that no one knows every MU yet, but I also dont think TKT was implying he did.

 

[Zyos]

Besides playing about 8 characters I'm extremely interested in all MU charts and every community discussion because it overall prepared me for every situation and match up

I also like to read when some people think b12 is punishable w Aquaman because that tells me what I can get away w when playing that person

I read all forums to find peoples fears, pros and cons

This speaks volumes, just because you dont main that charachter doesnt mean you dont learn everything you can about them, having played pigs zod, im horribly beaten with my harley lol but like i discussed with pig degs harley does so much better so im trying to learn more but im not putting up a mu chart this un-informed on the mu but your numbers seem way off and as tom/pig and others have posted your thoughts are flat out wrong as to what can be punished. That being said dont forget about fill pops pig having played alot against him id say he deserves a mention since hes mained shazam since day1

ZOD wins 6-4 minimum
Sinestro wins 6-4

These are not final numbers, hence why I haven't posted a ZOD true MU chart .

MU charts take time to be finalized and while I have an idea and summary for every MU neither will be finalized till around jan feb and even then it could change slightly

Another point: A MU list can't exist without first consulting the best tournament proven shazam players ,

the best shazam players are Reo PPJ and heroic legacy from my personal exp and viewing

 

[ZigZag]

There you go. And as Chef said, this isn't new. Just gotta look into it. I'll probably post a video showing Shazam blowing out BA's wake-ups next.

These are pretty god like ^_^

 

[ZigZag]

There's no way that Shazam vs Hawkgirl is a 5-5, Hawkgirl has advantage.

Explain.
What Shazams have you played?

 

[RYX]

Explain.
What Shazams have you played?

mine



lol

 

[ZigZag]

mine



lol

haha Well I've never seen yours, and It's still not enough to go off, People have been questioning me all thread about why I get to post numbers who have I played what do I know etc.

I know this character so bloody well and created most of his tech yet Because i've not been able to get to tournaments or played every high level on the planet I can get questioned but they cannot, I shall Aim it back at'em

 

[ZigZag]

mine



lol

And that tiny ass lol you slipped in... Perfect! XD
I would love to see your Shazam and how it's developed though.

 

[BlackBryan]

I love you and everything Zig, and i get that these aren't final or anything, but i can't agree with a lot of your numbers here. But, just so its known; I do not struggle against AM or Frost. Raven is a bitch, but doable. I'm not really sure who else was in question here, cause i'm not going to go through 11 pages of dick riding/elitism.

PS Blindman evo was so 2013
PS POTH Idk if you play any Shazams frequently, and i expect nothing more out of you than any other player here cause lbsh you're just a dude who likes to play fg's and happens to be good at fg's, not some super saiyen mentor to TYM, like everyone makes you out to be. But I also don't see why you have to have a say in EVERY single thing that comes across this forum. If the Shazams want to talk, why not let them talk? Why must you constantly be telling someone they are lesser than you in some way, shape, or form?
PS Brady I didn't read your posts cause they were too far into the aforementioned dickriding area of the thread.
uhhhhhhhhhh that's all.

 

[RYX]

haha Well I've never seen yours, and It's still not enough to go off, People have been questioning me all thread about why I get to post numbers who have I played what do I know etc.

I know this character so bloody well and created most of his tech yet Because i've not been able to get to tournaments or played every high level on the planet I can get questioned but they cannot, I shall Aim it back at'em

And that tiny ass lol you slipped in... Perfect! XD
I would love to see your Shazam and how it's developed though.

it's really really bad


and i mean really bad

 

[ZigZag]

I love you and everything Zig, and i get that these aren't final or anything, but i can't agree with a lot of your numbers here. But, just so its known; I do not struggle against AM or Frost. Raven is a bitch, but doable. I'm not really sure who else was in question here, cause i'm not going to go through 11 pages of dick riding/elitism.

PS Blindman evo was so 2013
PS POTH Idk if you play any Shazams frequently, and i expect nothing more out of you than any other player here cause lbsh you're just a dude who likes to play fg's and happens to be good at fg's, not some super saiyan mentor to TYM, like everyone makes you out to be. But I also don't see why you have to have a say in EVERY single thing that comes across this forum. If the Shazams want to talk, why not let them talk? Why must you constantly be telling someone they are lesser than you in some way, shape, or form?
PS Brady I didn't read your posts cause they were too far into the aforementioned dickriding area of the thread.
uhhhhhhhhhh that's all.

I don't think AM is a problem and neither do alot of other people, Brady came in here saying that we lose to AM but Honestly I've played some great AM's and alot of experience of all sorts of AM styles, I think it's positive and I'll be changing the numbers over some time and soon enough it'll be finished.

Frost I can't say is too easy, It's not a solid loss but I don't think it's all down to player skill when you have things like her Zoning game is decent which Shazam has a bad thing for.

There's alot of trash i warn you not to enter that realm friend!
Also fixed your spelling error on Saiyan

Pigs good no doubt, knows alot of stuff no doubt, but When he comes in spouting about the tournament players are the only players we should consult then he gets 0 respect personally, especially when he clearly doesn't Know enough about this character to be doing that, those guys are pretty good in some respects, but winning tournaments doesn't make charts, and it doesn't mean they're the best, It just means simply they made it to a tournament and won, and not always against the toughest of pools.
In any case saying that I should discuss with the high level players and that he is in all threads is straight up contradictorary because if he'd hung around Shazam a bit he'd see my work.

 

[Uber]

I don't get the Frost zoning part. How does she zone shazam? Daggers are duckable and ground spike allows a free dash. Frost might have a slight advantage here, but I don't think its that bad at all. A couple read slides and Shazam can take it.

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[ZigZag]

I don't get the Frost zoning part. How does she zone shazam? Daggers are duckable and ground spike allows a free dash. Frost might have a slight advantage here, but I don't think its that bad at all. A couple read slides and Shazam can take it.

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Make a bad read at full screen and you're losing quite a bit of life, You can't and wont always be perfect which means you're probably going to lose some life here or there, it does impact the match as that bit of life always helps, also once you're in and this is my down fall which i wanted to look into but the slide becomes the dangerous part forcing you in and then catching you with a slide for full combo.

I honestly have not looked at her slide like i've been meaning to.

 

[RYX]

the real problem with KF is that she's faster and safer than shazam

I don't find her zoning problematic (on a good day) to be frank

 

[GGA Max]

I really hate to get involved in this thread, and I don't mean to attack anyone personally.

But this is why Tom and other "pros" don't post very often. They try to give their opinion, and although it may sound cocky or arrogant, they get blown up for it.

I'm not saying they know everything about this game, but they are extremely credible. Without them, this site would basically be gamefaqs with a better web design.

 

[ZigZag]

I really hate to get involved in this thread, and I don't mean to attack anyone personally.

But this is why Tom and other "pros" don't post very often. They try to give their opinion, and although it may sound cocky or arrogant, they get blown up for it.

I'm not saying they know everything about this game, but they are extremely credible. Without them, this site would basically be gamefaqs with a better web design.

Tom Was okay to an extent, it was Pig who got under my skin, The dude came in with disrespect from the beggining and wanted to troll and be basically dare I say this... be a dick.

Alot of posts were just not called for, Tom wasn't as hostile he just didn't see my view point which is fair enough.

 

[Uber]

You don't really have to read much full screen. Just duck and wait for ice spike if they want to try to zone. 1 or 2 blocked ice spikes and you are in.

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[ZigZag]

You don't really have to read much full screen. Just duck and wait for ice spike if they want to try to zone. 1 or 2 blocked ice spikes and you are in.

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I've never been good with much zoning of any kind though, But the points people kept throwing up were like RYX said, she's faster and has superior 50/50's.

 

[RYX]

I've never been good with much zoning of any kind though, But the points people kept throwing up were like RYX said, she's faster and has superior 50/50's.

on the + side she has no answer to certain set ups (like the splat) so if she throws out a slide you can whiff punish with HM into a 40% combo into AC and make her risk more stuff, it's a pretty even risk/reward in this situation actually

obviously shazam has no answer to some of her stuff, this wouldn't be as problematic if she had at least 1 unsafe option but NRS is NRS, lol.

 

[Uber]

I really hate to get involved in this thread, and I don't mean to attack anyone personally.

But this is why Tom and other "pros" don't post very often. They try to give their opinion, and although it may sound cocky or arrogant, they get blown up for it.

I'm not saying they know everything about this game, but they are extremely credible. Without them, this site would basically be gamefaqs with a better web design.

I don't think anyone is blowing up Tom, just disagreeing. Even Tom doesn't know eveything about the matchup. Shazam is pretty underplayed and he's quite difficult to use effectively. There's still a lot of Shazam tech that no one has really mastered. D1 hit confirm to HM for example, is incredibly dangerous, but no one has shown they can do it consistently in tournaments.


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[Qwark28]

You don't really have to read much full screen. Just duck and wait for ice spike if they want to try to zone. 1 or 2 blocked ice spikes and you are in.

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idk whats going on but ill say this

no competent zoner will ever follow a zoning routine, they will make you get greedy, make a premature dash, maybe walk too much or get cocky and then they will get you. its never as easy as block x things y times and you're in

 

[Uber]

idk whats going on but ill say this

no competent zoner will ever follow a zoning routine, they will make you get greedy, make a premature dash, maybe walk too much or get cocky and then they will get you. its never as easy as block x things y times and you're in

But she doesn't have any other zoning tools that hit duckers other then ice spike. There is nothing she can do to make you get greedy. Unless she alreay has a huge life lead, there's nothing stopping you from just sitting there.

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[ZigZag]

I don't think anyone is blowing up Tom, just disagreeing. Even Tom doesn't know eveything about the matchup. Shazam is pretty underplayed and he's quite difficult to use effectively. There's still a lot of Shazam tech that no one has really mastered. D1 hit confirm to HM for example, is incredibly dangerous, but no one has shown they can do it consistently in tournaments.


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I hope Tom Brady doesn't take offense to things Me or others have said, he stated his views and knowledge and we did reject it, Maybe to rationally but otherwise we simply did not agree, not to say we were upset by His views, and seriously tom, I think alot of Shazam Players feel AM isn't that bad of a MU these days, We know you're one of the highest level AM's out there so getting games with you at any point would be a great learning curve, or seeing you play another really high level Shazam, but until now I simply think we feel differently.

Pig on the other hand I just felt came in here with alot of disrespect and didn't intend to talk about numbers like the thread was made for and instead came in here to atagonise me and others.

 

[Smarrgasm]

I still don't understand how Black Adam isn't still a 7-3. This MU is awful in my eyes. And yes I play good shazam players and I almost don't have to try.

 

[Qwark28]

But she doesn't have any other zoning tools that hit duckers other then ice spike. There is nothing she can do to make you get greedy. Unless she alreay has a huge life lead, there's nothing stopping you from just sitting there.

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like i said, i dont know or care about the situation, im just stating why most people underestimate zoning and this kind of block and dash projectiles. the projectile can come now or never. just eliminating misconceptions.