Match-up Discussion Shazams true Match up Chart.

[ZigZag]

When did Aquaman vs Shazam become 5-5?

When Aquaman Was really not a threat.

Explain your views on the MU.

 

[DarkPage]

Don't get why everyone is all on your shit when your jut trying to help shazam community. Just help the discussion or leave
On a side not I also think match up chart should have a bit of explanation on each

 

[ZigZag]

Don't get why everyone is all on your shit when your jut trying to help shazam community. Just help the discussion or leave
On a side not I also think match up chart should have a bit of explanation on each

It's all i aim to do, Very little people do it, the tagged and some others Tend to help out but not alot want to, they all see him as low tier trash haha!
Thanks That's all I wanted people to do but they blew this up, and things got very sarcastic.

 

[Doombawkz]

Spoiler

Bane 5-5
Hawk girl - 5-5
Lex Luthor - 6-4
Cyborg 5-5
Lobo 4-6
Flash - 4-6
Grundy 6.5-3.5
Green lantern 4-6
Harley - 5-5
Joker 5-5


Ares 5-5
Catwoman 5-5
Deathstroke 3.5-6.5
Batman 5-5
Superman 4-6
NightWing 5-5
Green Arrow - 5-5
Raven - 4-6
Wonder Woman - 4-6

Aquaman 5-5
Black Adam 4-6
Doomsday 6-4
Killer Frost - 4-6
Sinestro - 3.5-6.5
Batgirl - 4-6
Scorpion - 5-5
General Zod - 4-6
Zantanna - 5-5
Martian Man Hunter - 5-5/4-6

I'm not as good as all of you guys, but just from what I've touched on this is what I'm seeing his MUs as.

 

[ZigZag]

I'm not as good as all of you guys, but just from what I've touched on this is what I'm seeing his MUs as.

You know what, It's probably not far from alot of those numbers, I could say differently about a couple but alot are probably pretty close.

 

[imblackjames]

I think that he actually has a winning match up against aquaman and losing match ups against lex and killer frost

Aquaman 6-4

Lex 4-6

Killer frost 3-7

 

[ZigZag]

Thanks for those giving inputs, couple more numbers down I'm sure most can agree with like WW's and KF's

Still not sure about DS, I feel he is a big problem still but others don't it seems It's at least 4-6 though, could be 3.5-6.5 It's really tough.

Lex is an interesting one to think about as I've had little experience but I've only played the best, Felt like 4-6 at the time but i had little to no experience previously to playing this guy, Could be better, could be 4-6.

 

[bettyswallaux]

Thanks alot, I threw it out there and even made it clear that some of these needs final crunching and People still go crazy!
What can you do? haha.

Change your name to reo or something. Then your opinion will be accepted and taken as fact

 

[zoofs]

I'm not as good as all of you guys, but just from what I've touched on this is what I'm seeing his MUs as.

this is a bit more accurate, id also say harley wins 6-4

 

[ZigZag]

Change your name to reo or something. Then your opinion will be accepted and taken as fact

I'll change it to AK GGA C88 Pig of the Reo Hut/Brady.

Then people will listen, Clearly because I'm outside the US and i'm not on every stream my knowledge of the Character I've spent tonnes of time on since release clearly is wrong haha!
OH TYM sometimes you get crazy.

 

[Doombawkz]

this is a bit more accurate, id also say harley wins 6-4

I'm actually discussing some tech with subsmoke that explains why I feel its not in her favour but more even.
Depending on the results, its in the air.

 

[Doombawkz]

I'll change it to AK GGA C88 Pig of the Reo Hut/Brady.

Then people will listen, Clearly because I'm outside the US and i'm not on every stream my knowledge of the Character I've spent tonnes of time on since release clearly is wrong haha!
OH TYM sometimes you get crazy.

According to some (doomsday) sources, if you have Banes in your Grand Finals then your entire scene is lacking. I feel your pain

 

[Jaku2011]

Thread got made today and it's already over 5 pages? No way it's actual matchup discussion.

 

[SaJa]

This matchup chart is too nice.

Too many 5-5.

If Shazam is 5-5 against BG I'm damned.

 

[Doombawkz]

This matchup chart is too nice.

Too many 5-5.

If Shazam is 5-5 against BG I'm damned.

As of two days ago, it just might be. Shazam OTGs are coming, and they are damn ugly.

 

[ZigZag]

This matchup chart is too nice.

Too many 5-5.

If Shazam is 5-5 against BG I'm damned.

Alot of his previous thought Negatives are actually 5-5, LBSH who really put that much time into Shazam?
Not alot of people because he wasn't easy.

 

[ZigZag]

Thread got made today and it's already over 5 pages? No way it's actual matchup discussion.

There's quite alot of trash in here... People got mad.

 

[GAMETIME]

Shazam vs aquaman is 6 -4 IMO

 

[RYX]

Bane is as even as even gets. Neither have oki on each other. IMO Bane has a far superior neutral game, and he can chase Shazam pretty easily due to his amazing dash, and if he catches Shazam he's gonna eat his life bar

Shazam whiff punishes mistakes really hard, even more if he runs out Venom. Feels really 5-5

Deathstroke IMO is his worst MU. His mobility is incredibly limited and Deathstroke has all the tools he needs to fight him up close. Wake up teleport will get baited and QF'd on reaction, free damage. Just feels awful lol

 

[ZigZag]

Shazam vs aquaman is 6 -4 IMO

I thought this but I would still like some input from some Aquaman Mains and see what they do against Shazam to win their games, the strings most Aquamen Players opt for are predictable and punishable by full Command Grab combo's with shazam.

 

[SaJa]

Alot of his previous thought Negatives are actually 5-5, LBSH who really put that much time into Shazam?
Not alot of people because he wasn't easy.

I'm not saying Shazam is bad, I'm saying most of character are stronger. Shazam is probably tournament viable since 4-6 mus aren't impossible to win.

 

[Raidenwins]

Bane 6-4 - Shazam's teleport and his AT give him the advantage. If you get the teleport right to punish the raging charge then you can punish that every time.
Hawk girl 5-5? - Not sure on this matchup but I think Shazam can use his b23 to hit hawkgirl when she is airborne. A teleport through a mace throw would then give a full combo.
Lex Luthor ? - ?
Cyborg ?-?
Lobo 6-4 - Lobo can't maintain pressure. Shazam can play his oki game well with the threat of mb f3/b3 on wakeup.
Flash 4-6 - 22 can be interrupted for full combo, ji2 into any string bar 22 can be interrupted for full combo. If flash jumps over a boz, a mb headbut punishes.
Grundy ?-?
Green lantern 3-7/4-6 - you really think it iss 5-5 TKT ZigZag ? Shazam has no way in past the bullets, machinegun and lift.
Harley ?-?
Joker ?-?


Ares ?-?
Catwoman ?-?
Deathstroke 3-7 - No way in at all. Teleporting in is useless.
Batman 4-6 - Only because bats will punish a wakeup tele, which means you gotta guess when you get up.
Superman 3-7 - Lasers and f23 plus high damage makes this tough.
NightWing 4-6/3-7 - That d1 doesnt let us start any pressure.
Green Arrow 5-5 - I hate this matchup, the magic string kills me so I'd put 10-0 here lol Esp with fire arrow zoning.
Raven ?-?
Wonder Woman 5-5 - I play this matchup with my bro a lot and I think it is evens. b23 can punish a whiffed air tiara. Although d1 spin punishes b23.

Aquaman 4-6 - Just frame trident stuffs AT on wakeup and a slightly delayed trident punishes tele.
Black Adam - Id have said 6-4 pre-patch but not sure how good BA's hit and run is now.
Doomsday ?-?
Killer Frost 7-3 - The vortex, plus the slide to punish teleports, plus her zoning. It is TOUGH.
Sinestro ?-?
Batgirl - ?-?
Scorpion - ?-?
General Zod - 4-6/3-7 This is like walking through a mine field with someone up your backside telling you to hurry up.
Zantanna - ?-?
Martian Man Hunter - 5-5 Tele is great in this matchup. That with the combination of AT to get around makes it hard for mmh to hit you with the overhead tele.

This is what I think from my experiences. ?-? means I have no clue.

This is some good info. OP, please take this info, and whatever else other people give you, and update the original MU chart with it. That way it'd be easier for people to find it.

 

[ZigZag]

I'm not saying Shazam is bad, I'm saying most of character are stronger. Shazam is probably tournament viable since 4-6 mus aren't impossible to win.

He does have his 4-6's on a few Match ups, but it's really not all that Horrible, Alot of people don't realise that Shazam is Dynamic, by which I mean some characters you will not get away playing His typical rush down game, and some you will have to play his spacing Game.

Some people Blow these out of the waters and give up on Shazam when in actual fact it is 5-5, But yes there's still going to be plenty of 4-6 games.

 

[ZigZag]

This is some good info. OP, please take this info, and whatever else other people give you, and update the original MU chart with it. That way it'd be easier for people to find it.

That's what i'm doing, But I can't take the opinions of one person, I'm letting a few things in and see what vibe we get.

 

[ZigZag]

Updated again, I pushed NW down to 4-6 as even though I play one of the strongest NW's the UK has to offer I feel I could be way to used to his experience and I can in hindsight see how it would be a little difficult for Shazam.

some 4-6's put on the board and Lobo bumped to 5-5, I feel i can be all over Lobo and punish plenty, even though he can play Spacing with his nuclear shells I'm sure it's easily stuffed by a torpedo on recovery of his shots.