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Match-up Discussion Shazams true Match up Chart.

SZSR

Champion
There's no way Shazam - Harley is 5-5, it's possibly one of his worst MUs in the game next to KF.

Play AK Saltface's Harley, he's got some things that'll drive you bananas.

EDIT: Also, please heed Mikemetroid 's warning, don't derail this thread. This is here to talk about MUs.
 

A F0xy Grampa

Problem X Promotions
TBF, unless you're a player thats naturally great at zoning (i.e. Pig/Wound) I will crush you the first time we play.
I have the advantage of playing an obscure character and a massive amount of tools to use.
 

Qwark28

Joker waiting room
TBF, unless you're a player thats naturally great at zoning (i.e. Pig/Wound) I will crush you the first time we play.
I have the advantage of playing an obscure character and a massive amount of tools to use.
in secret, tbf means the bitch is fucked

damn you foxy, you so evil
 

RYX

BIG PUSHER
There's no way Shazam - Harley is 5-5, it's possibly one of his worst MUs in the game next to KF.

Play AK Saltface's Harley, he's got some things that'll drive you bananas.

EDIT: Also, please heed Mikemetroid 's warning, don't derail this thread. This is here to talk about MUs.
I dunno, his oki works really well on her.

I don't think KF is that bad either. To be honest I have a hard time with the heavy zoning characters more than anyone. (And Deathstroke)
 

Qwark28

Joker waiting room
There's no way Shazam - Harley is 5-5, it's possibly one of his worst MUs in the game next to KF.

Play AK Saltface's Harley, he's got some things that'll drive you bananas.

EDIT: Also, please heed Mikemetroid 's warning, don't derail this thread. This is here to talk about MUs.
noone listens to mike, people have started to tell the difference between him and dizzy
 

Shawi

Apprentice
Bane 6-4 - Shazam's teleport and his AT give him the advantage. If you get the teleport right to punish the raging charge then you can punish that every time.
Hawk girl 5-5? - Not sure on this matchup but I think Shazam can use his b23 to hit hawkgirl when she is airborne. A teleport through a mace throw would then give a full combo.
Lex Luthor ? - ?
Cyborg ?-?
Lobo 6-4 - Lobo can't maintain pressure. Shazam can play his oki game well with the threat of mb f3/b3 on wakeup.
Flash 4-6 - 22 can be interrupted for full combo, ji2 into any string bar 22 can be interrupted for full combo. If flash jumps over a boz, a mb headbut punishes.
Grundy ?-?
Green lantern 3-7/4-6 - you really think it iss 5-5 TKT ZigZag ? Shazam has no way in past the bullets, machinegun and lift.
Harley ?-?
Joker ?-?


Ares ?-?
Catwoman ?-?
Deathstroke 3-7 - No way in at all. Teleporting in is useless.
Batman 4-6 - Only because bats will punish a wakeup tele, which means you gotta guess when you get up.
Superman 3-7 - Lasers and f23 plus high damage makes this tough.
NightWing 4-6/3-7 - That d1 doesnt let us start any pressure.
Green Arrow 5-5 - I hate this matchup, the magic string kills me so I'd put 10-0 here lol Esp with fire arrow zoning.
Raven ?-?
Wonder Woman 5-5 - I play this matchup with my bro a lot and I think it is evens. b23 can punish a whiffed air tiara. Although d1 spin punishes b23.

Aquaman 4-6 - Just frame trident stuffs AT on wakeup and a slightly delayed trident punishes tele.
Black Adam - Id have said 6-4 pre-patch but not sure how good BA's hit and run is now.
Doomsday ?-?
Killer Frost 7-3 - The vortex, plus the slide to punish teleports, plus her zoning. It is TOUGH.
Sinestro ?-?
Batgirl - ?-?
Scorpion - ?-?
General Zod - 4-6/3-7 This is like walking through a mine field with someone up your backside telling you to hurry up.
Zantanna - ?-?
Martian Man Hunter - 5-5 Tele is great in this matchup. That with the combination of AT to get around makes it hard for mmh to hit you with the overhead tele.

This is what I think from my experiences. ?-? means I have no clue.
 

Qwark28

Joker waiting room
Joker ?-?


Ares ?-?
Catwoman ?-?
Deathstroke 7-3 - No way in at all. Teleporting in is useless.
Batman 6-4 - Only because bats will punish a wakeup tele, which means you gotta guess when you get up.
Superman 7-3 - Lasers and f23 plus high damage makes this tough.
NightWing 6-4/7-3 - That d1 doesnt let us start any pressure.
Green Arrow 5-5 - I hate this matchup, the magic string kills me so I'd put 10-0 here lol Esp with fire arrow zoning.
Raven ?-?
Wonder Woman 5-5 - I play this matchup with my bro a lot and I think it is evens. b23 can punish a whiffed air tiara. Although d1 spin punishes b23.



This is what I think from my experiences. ?-? means I have no clue.
bane does not lose to shazam, you dont play good banes

same with wonderwoman who use air tiara and punish -8 moves with d1 spin

superman was normalised

BA used to win 7 3
 

SZSR

Champion
I dunno, his oki works really well on her.

I don't think KF is that bad either. To be honest I have a hard time with the heavy zoning characters more than anyone. (And Deathstroke)
The problem isn't doing damage and mindgames once you're in, the problem is getting in.

There's no reason for Harley not to play as lame as she possibly can from full-screen. Gunshots make his teleport practically ineffective and she can get a full-combo punish for trying to teleport in. You are pretty much forced to bulldog your way in and all the while she's building meter so she can gunshot - air gunshot, MB gunshot to her heart's content.

And when she has the lifelead and you're forced to clash, it's pretty much an uphill battle from the other side of the screen.
 

zoofs

bless
bane does not lose to shazam, you dont play good banes

same with wonderwoman who use air tiara and punish -8 moves with d1 spin

superman was normalised

BA used to win 7 3
i believe ba still wins it 6-4, superman id say 6-4 as well
 

Shawi

Apprentice
AK Pig Of The Hut has already used this before. Not impressed.

bane does not lose to shazam, you dont play good banes

same with wonderwoman who use air tiara and punish -8 moves with d1 spin

superman was normalised

BA used to win 7 3
I think bane loses to shazam. How does he get started? There is no guessing game for me either. The teleport to punish charge is enough for me to win that match tbh.
Nothing wrong with air tiara if it is used correctly in certain match ups, but now vs shazam she can't use it. d1 spin is a great punish wth lol
I hate superman whatever happens. He was hardly normalised - he was touched, not normalised. Superman got off the hook compared with BA.
 

ZigZag

That Welsh Guy
Bane 6-4 - Shazam's teleport and his AT give him the advantage. If you get the teleport right to punish the raging charge then you can punish that every time.
Hawk girl 5-5? - Not sure on this matchup but I think Shazam can use his b23 to hit hawkgirl when she is airborne. A teleport through a mace throw would then give a full combo.
I've thought 6-4 on bane for some time now, but the more I played and the more people I discussed with made it look 5-5
HG more than likely 5-5, The mace charge is punishable but when she traits B23 isn't the best AA and it's easy to escape.
 

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
See, I wasn't sure about my numbers either. So I made a character council, asked all the best Banes, and STILL gave a .5 margin of error for every tier without putting a specific number on any particular character so much as saying "We lose this either 6-4 or 5.5-4.5, but in general its not a bad match". I gave them my original list, had them give their own opinions on the placements, edited, posted, and asked the communities around me to give their insight. Aside from Tom not realizing what the Mb b.3 change does, its gone pretty well. We had some fun, some laughs, some discussion about Mb VU (+13 on block lol).

Basically, make sure you draw on multiple sources before you make a specific number list. I'd recommend making a generalized list and just grouping character based on how difficult the match is. Then ask your character council for advice. I hear RYX is running it or something, and he is always really wise about this kind of thing so he should be able to guide you in the right direction usually.

Bane 6-4 - Shazam's teleport and his AT give him the advantage. If you get the teleport right to punish the raging charge then you can punish that every time.
Also no, seriously if the only point you can make is "We can punish raw charge with X" then you might as well not give an opinion on the MU. AT is punishable, teleport only gets you so far. We can auto-pilot somewhat as well. 5-5 is accurate.
 

ZigZag

That Welsh Guy
Right I've left the MU's I feel strongly about or are just Obvious.

Proceed to input numbers and offer Games.
 

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
Right i'll wipe the numbers I'm not 100% sure about to please you until further notice.
I wouldn't say "wipe the numbers to please me" because frankly numbers are never accurate when people's cases are based on how well they can punish full-screen naked charges. Just instead, be more general and put a (?) by it. Take them one at a time, and go to other forums to see what they think of the MU.
 

FOREVER BALLIN

Flash is bottom 2
After playing a lot of Lex vs Shazam Idon't think it's 5-5. It may be because I play the MU wrong but I think it's in shazams favor personally
 

Shawi

Apprentice
Seriously if the only point you can make is "We can punish raw charge with X" then you might as well not give an opinion on the MU. AT is punishable, teleport only gets you so far. We can auto-pilot somewhat as well. 5-5 is accurate.
Seriously, that is fine. I have no problem with your opinion but there is no grounds for you to come here and be rude, sir. "you might as well not give an opinion on the MU" - I'll give my opinion whenever I damn well please. If you disagree, then say so with respect - flipin hek!
 

ZigZag

That Welsh Guy
After playing a lot of Lex vs Shazam Idon't think it's 5-5. It may be because I play the MU wrong but I think it's in shazams favor personally
I don't know, I've played little Lex's I did play Thead's which was a REALLY good lex, however I may have also played it wrong because it was basically even, and from what I can think of I can only seeing it being even, We'll get some more input.