AK Harold
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Really? I was stuffing a lot of attacks after bf1 with F21 or 3bf1 frame data is wrong..its not +16 on hit its more like 0 or +1. You are far better off ending with f21 which is +19
Really? I was stuffing a lot of attacks after bf1 with F21 or 3bf1 frame data is wrong..its not +16 on hit its more like 0 or +1. You are far better off ending with f21 which is +19
Yeah, it's definitely not +16. They can jump a standing 3 .Really? I was stuffing a lot of attacks after bf1 with F21 or 3
yeah put the ai on jump away and try to follow up after bf1 lol....ive even tested it offline with a friend...its def not +16Really? I was stuffing a lot of attacks after bf1 with F21 or 3
Oh man gotta redo my BnBs then thought I was close to where I wanted to be. Guess I will just rework my combos to do either hard knockdown or puppet then.Yeah, it's definitely not +16. They can jump a standing 3 .
standing 3 after f21 is a frame trap. You can f3 to catch jumpers. You can mb tele behind for more pressure...tons of mixupsAlso what do you do after F21 they seem too far for anything midscreen.
http://testyourmight.com/threads/the-uses-of-f21-as-an-ender.37159/Also what do you do after F21 they seem too far for anything midscreen.
Standing 3 into multi kicks or MB ring.Also what do you do after F21 they seem too far for anything midscreen.
Also what do you do after F21 they seem too far for anything midscreen.
But the start up is so much, they can poke.f3 is safe, good starter and overhead. That option is one of the best imo.
But the start up is so much, they can poke.
Standing 3 is a frame trap after F2,1 that can also be back dashed
+19, also some characters can poke, characters like Hawkgirl, but also they can backdash itThey can't poke because you are +20 on hit and they are too far for any normals. f3 is garanteed.
+19, also some characters can poke, characters like Hawkgirl, but also they can backdash it
Yup, it's all about reads, just like a lot of things, they can also read you will use projectile & do something else!Backdash is not a threat ^^ if you see them doing so you can f21 projectile or bf3 next time.
Are you 100% sure HG can poke ?
But we're at +19 and 3 has 12 frames of start up...Yup, it's all about reads, just like a lot of things, they can also read you will use projectile & do something else!
Yes i'm sure, i main Hawkgirl, her D1 has great range
13, but it can be back dashed imo! A good reaction. But this is still a frame trap <3 i use it all the time. People doesn't backdash almost anything :S lolBut we're at +19 and 3 has 12 frames of start up...
I don't think it can be backdashed though... similar to how you can't backdash batgirl's vortex.13, but it can be back dashed imo! A good reaction. But this is still a frame trap <3 i use it all the time. People doesn't backdash almost anything :S lol
The move is +19 and the next move is 13, i think it's backdasheable but i haven't tested it at all... I thought it since i used to think that F2,1 was +16 tho.Yeah people can backdash everything at advantage on block. But on hit you just stun, you shouldn't be able to backdash f21, 3 but they probably can vs f21, f3.
what's the startup for f3 btw ?
f3 is 29 frames startup iirc.Yeah people can backdash everything at advantage on block. But on hit you just stun, you shouldn't be able to backdash f21, 3 but they probably can vs f21, f3.
what's the startup for f3 btw ?
If you're in the corner, f21 into meterless vortex is the superior option. f21, f3 can be mashed out (I think if you mash d3 for shazam or d1 or something with range it'd work)Anyway, after her combo you end very often in the corner. No backdash, and you can watch my shazam game on the discution thread. The zatanna player use f21, f3 and it worked like a charm against me xD
http://www.testyourmight.com/threads/prepare-to-be-astounded-zatanna-general-discussion-thread.36682/page-34
f21-3 cannot be backdashedThe move is +19 and the next move is 13, i think it's backdasheable but i haven't tested it at all... I thought it since i used to think that F2,1 was +16 tho.
I don't remember but it's more than 20 frames
The F3 will catch them if they stay in there. Which i wouldn't be surprised if works, since a lot of people doesn't back dashes things ;_;f21-3 cannot be backdashed
f21 -f3 can be backdashed or jump away but the f3 will most likely catch them