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What's YOUR "true skill" rank, and do you take it seriously?

Hellbringer

Hellbringer

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Lex Luthor II said:
I just looked it up, my trueskill is at a 36 right now, and in the top 100 theres only 2 people with a higher trueskill right now, one of them is number 2 on the list, and one is Foxy Grandpa who is trueskill 37.

NoGodsButMe aka Eric on here is also 36, shout out to my Hawkgirl friend.

This may be why it feels like everyone declines me. It'd be nice if I could hide my stuff to get more matches, I take it there's no way to reset stats or anything like that nay?
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Stop playing randoms if you dont want ppl declining
 
Cobra

Cobra

Noob
AK Juggs said:
The factors are not always the same for both players. There's often one sided lag and/or delay online. Aside from that, there could be other unknown factors such as controller issues, TV issues, people walking in front of them, it being too cold, etc. All seem like lame excuses, but the point is there's entirely too many random variables that even if you wanted to take online seriously, you really just can't.

All you should be doing online is trying to improve. Get that MU experience, and just try and get better. If you're playing online to "prove" yourself, you're fighting a losing battle, because the only person you're proving anything to is yourself.
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I stopped reading there. Lag is equal with both players, sorry to tell you.
 
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1truking

Apprentice
astronout said:
looking at these responses, it's absolutely apparent who goes to offline tournaments and who doesn't.
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Is it really? I've been doing tournaments longer than anybody on this site including Tom and I've been doing them at a high level too on more than one game. I traveled to majors and still do though I don't play nearly as seriously.

In general you're correct but the online for this game is surprisingly good provided you're on the xbox. The playstation is laughable. I played AK Pig Of The Hut e's about as far away as you can get and the matches were surprisingly good. TS has always been a fairly good repreentation of player skill. In some cases it doesn't translate offline but you'd clearly be shocked how well it does. Is it an end all ? no. I'll likely beat some 35's offline that beat me online simply because I can WCC easier offline.
 
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1truking

Apprentice
Cobra said:
I stopped reading there. Lag is equal with both players, sorry to tell you.
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Lag is equal for both players however that can be an advantage for one player. There is a marvel player notorious for his terrible lag that goes by the name of serpentaurus. The lag may be equal for both players but serp plays in this goat powered internet lag constantly and others don't. Its easier for him to adjust because his lag is constantly garbage he doesn't know what a good connection is.
 
Juggs

Juggs

Lose without excuses
Lead Moderator
Cobra said:
I stopped reading there. Lag is equal with both players, sorry to tell you.
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That's what most people believe, but it's not always true. And the problem is that almost all of them haven't actually tested it, they just assume it's always the same for both players. I've actually tested it, on more than one occasion, on more than one game, against more than one opponent.

I've played REO in 2006 UMK3 on XBL where his connection was smooth but he had a lot of delay, and mine had lag spikes every 3 seconds but I had minimal delay. We talked about it and he said he didn't have lag spikes at all, we both clearly had very different experiences. And this wasn't me inventing excuses or anything like that, I was winning, lol. A similar thing happened with a friend in SF4. He would have horrible lag spikes where he could literally not even move for a few seconds. I didn't believe him (this was before I accepted that the connection isn't always the same for both players), so he recorded the next match and showed it to me. I was shocked at how different it was for him. The same lag spikes happen to me sometimes in SF4 and other games but I always thought both of the players got them, this proved that's not always the case.

Also, in 2006 UMK3, if you host a match, the connection is far WORSE for you than it is for the opponent. There's automatically more delay if you host in that game, this has been proven by more than just me. Conversely, in games like Gears of War, if you host, the connection is perfect for you while it can be extremely laggy for everyone else, which is something very common in FPS's.

You actually are told the differences in frame delay on MAME. Some people will have 5 frames of delay where others will only have 2 or 3 frames of delay. I've played in games on MAME where I've had 0 frames of delay where my opponent had 11 frames of delay.

This isn't to say that both players never experience the same connection, not at all. That's why I said "the factors aren't always the same for both players". But my point is you can't always assume both players have the exact same connection. And you certainly cannot deny that it's even possible for each player to experience a different amount of lag or delay. This is one of the biggest reasons online cannot be taken seriously, at least it's one of the biggest reasons for me.
 
Lex Luthor II

Lex Luthor II

Lord of Lightning
AK Juggs said:
And you certainly cannot deny that it's even possible for each player to experience a different amount of lag or delay. This is one of the biggest reasons online cannot be taken seriously, at least it's one of the biggest reasons for me.
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Because very rarely the lag is different for both players?
 
RapZiLLa54

RapZiLLa54

Monster Island Tournaments
Dark_Rob said:
This is not nessecarily true. It can be, but it just as easily cant be also. As an example, 2 days before a tournament in NY called On the Edge 3 I was playing a set online against RapZiLLa54 I forget how many games exactly we played, somewhere around 20-25, but I won them all, every match. I 25-0d him.
2 days later by a twist of fate Rapzilla and I faced off at the On the Edge tournament. He beat me 2-1 and sent me to losers. Rapzilla only lives about 30 min from me, both of us have decent internet connections, the input delay was minimal, and the game hardly lagged at all.
Yet that small amount of change that exists in the online environment was the difference in him losing 25 games straight, and beating me 2 days later in person. Online changes things, it has to, there really cant be any other explanation. I seriously doubt he just "leveled up" that much in 2 days. He was always that leveled up and just couldn't show his true potential online. Some people can deal with online and some people cant.
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I have to agree with you here and thanks for the props Rob. That 1-2 second delay online makes all the difference to me and it is very noticeable. I typically just use online to gain experience with character tendencies and strings more so than to gauge my own skill level. I would never judge someones skill by their online rank or record, it means nothing IMO.
 
G4S Claude VonStroke

G4S Claude VonStroke

@MK_ClaudeVS on twitter
big_aug said:
I disagree. If you 5-0 or 10-0 or someone or something like that, you're clearly better. Online or offline is not going to make a difference. Online would only be a factor for very skilled players of nearly equal skill. And that's why many people don't have a problem with online play. They would still beat the people they beat and they'd still lose to the people to whom they lose.
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This isn't true at all. I attempted to play online friday night and lost to a GL player in ranked. Then asked him to play me in private match for a set because I was trying to adapt to playing online. I lost 5-2 and quite frankly he was a pretty bad player. I just couldn't do anything against GL online because of the lag. Then the next day I go to offline tournament and Get 5th place while doing pretty well against one of the best GL's out there. I know for a fact if I played the same guy offline, I would blow him up badly. I KNOW why I was losing online, It's just that I couldn't do anything about it.
 
Lex Luthor II

Lex Luthor II

Lord of Lightning
Claude VonStroke said:
This isn't true at all. I attempted to play online friday night and lost to a GL player in ranked. Then asked him to play me in private match for a set because I was trying to adapt to playing online. I lost 5-2 and quite frankly he was a pretty bad player. I just couldn't do anything against GL online because of the lag. Then the next day I go to offline tournament and Get 5th place while doing pretty well against one of the best GL's out there. I know for a fact if I played the same guy offline, I would blow him up badly. I KNOW why I was losing online, It's just that I couldn't do anything about it.
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how bad is your/his connection?
 
ColdBoreMK23

ColdBoreMK23

Noob Saibot
Mine is like 28 or so. I don't take it seriously even when matching against someone. I look for for total games played than anything. Whether the person has a high true skill rank or a great W/L means nothing. Experience is key and maybe that person was using random characters or practicing new characters and lost but is really good from experience.
 
Lex Luthor II

Lex Luthor II

Lord of Lightning
I just played one guy, beat him 24 rounds to 9... and i dropped from a 35 skill to a 33 lulllz. his truskill was like 29 or so, and i was up 22-2 and just started screwing around. lol there goes my truskill out the window.
 
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RIF

Apprentice
Cobra said:
I stopped reading there. Lag is equal with both players, sorry to tell you.
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False. I've played a number of match-ups where I was stuck in friggin' molasses and the other player was zipping around like a crack fiend. This happens in UMVC3. This guy is doing Magneto ROM loops, and my standing M comes out 2 seconds after I input. Not a fun moment.

As for TrueSkill, I had it at 34 when I was playing semi-seriously. I started playing with other characters (Lex/Joker) and it went down to 32. I am not sure if Player vs Player matches effect rank, but if it does, well, I'm screwed. I like to dig into characters and try various setups in PvP and lose quite a few matches.
 
LAGalactico

LAGalactico

Mortal
My TrueSkill is 22, but I've beaten plenty of people with TrueSkills in the high 20s and low 30s. I have come to the conclusion that W/L & TS means jack shit. Never underestimate anybody.

Thing is, I don't know why I'm rated so low. I think I am an above average player..and I do take online seriously because I don't have anything resembling an offline scene around here.
 
Lex Luthor II

Lex Luthor II

Lord of Lightning
LAGalactico said:
My TrueSkill is 22, but I've beaten plenty of people with TrueSkills in the high 20s and low 30s. I have come to the conclusion that W/L & TS means jack shit. Never underestimate anybody.

Thing is, I don't know why I'm rated so low. I think I am an above average player..and I do take online seriously because I don't have anything resembling an offline scene around here.
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Has it always been 22, or does it go up and down like up to 25 and then back down.
 
Hellbringer

Hellbringer

1 2 3 drink
Lex Luthor II said:
Thats such great advice, thanks, I just will only play the 3 or 4 friends I've made so far online for the rest of my life.
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How can you only have 3 or 4 ppl added by now. Like i said add me im always up for games. I think my FL is 90% injustice/mk players by now.
 
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