What's YOUR "true skill" rank, and do you take it seriously?

[Cossner]

I'm saying prove yourself as in prove you're better than your opponent. You cannot do that online. I don't care how badly you beat someone online, the only way you can prove you're better than him is in an offline setting with preferably something on the line.

I agree with this statement.

 

[big_aug]

I agree with this statement.

I disagree. If you 5-0 or 10-0 or someone or something like that, you're clearly better. Online or offline is not going to make a difference. Online would only be a factor for very skilled players of nearly equal skill. And that's why many people don't have a problem with online play. They would still beat the people they beat and they'd still lose to the people to whom they lose.

 

[Lex Luthor II]

I'm saying prove yourself as in prove you're better than your opponent. You cannot do that online. I don't care how badly you beat someone online, the only way you can prove you're better than him is in an offline setting with preferably something on the line.

Maybe, but I partly disagree. SOMETIMES things like you listed get in the way, but most of the time they do not. and MOST of the time the better player wins online.

I disagree. If you 5-0 or 10-0 or someone or something like that, you're clearly better. Online or offline is not going to make a difference. Online would only be a factor for very skilled players of nearly equal skill. And that's why many people don't have a problem with online play. They would still beat the people they beat and they'd still lose to the people to whom they lose.

Agreed.

 

[Tony at Home]

True skill seems to be a decent indicator of strength, but I feel like it should use more in it's measurements.

My TS rank is only 22. This seems to be only very slightly above average.

The problem is, it's very hard to get it to 25, where I feel it should be. I have difficulty handling TS ranks around 28+, but it certainly isn't impossible. I think I win half the time against those around rank 25...

But on ranked it feels like it is constantly matching me up with either those who are completely new to the game, and under 20 TS rank, or those who are over 30, which are very difficult for me, especially if they are one of Lex's bad matchups.

So I don't really do ranked matches anymore. TS algorithm should probably take into account HOW MUCH I lost by. If I lost, but had an extremely close match to a rank 28 TS, that's not reason to match me up with 8 consecutive completely-new players who can't fight very well (and worse, I feel bad beating up on them, because it isn't fair and isn't helping them learn...)

 

[Lex Luthor II]

True skill seems to be a decent indicator of strength, but I feel like it should use more in it's measurements.

My TS rank is only 22. This seems to be only very slightly above average.

The problem is, it's very hard to get it to 25, where I feel it should be. I have difficulty handling TS ranks around 28+, but it certainly isn't impossible. I think I win half the time against those around rank 25...

But on ranked it feels like it is constantly matching me up with either those who are completely new to the game, and under 20 TS rank, or those who are over 30, which are very difficult for me, especially if they are one of Lex's bad matchups.

So I don't really do ranked matches anymore. TS algorithm should probably take into account HOW MUCH I lost by. If I lost, but had an extremely close match to a rank 28 TS, that's not reason to match me up with 8 consecutive completely-new players who can't fight very well (and worse, I feel bad beating up on them, because it isn't fair and isn't helping them learn...)

It is a pretty decent indicator for sure. I agree about ranked, I prefer unranked, you can decline and not waste your time against someone so bad it wont be fun, and MOST IMPORTANTLY you can do more than 1 match against each other, winning one match means nothing. First to 3 at least, or 5, is much more interesting.

It would be nice if it took into account if you barely lost... but not if you barely win, a win should be a win, this isn't College Football.

Once you hit like 35 trueskill, which mine is right now, its seems almost impossible to get it higher, because you dont run into many people with 35 or higher, so you cant get a boost from beating them, and beating people lower than you doesnt seem to add too much. And as soon as you lose a few its like HAHABAD 34.

 

[BaronVonRupert]

my rank is 30. i don't think you should take it super seriously, it's just a general indicator of if someone knows what they're doing imo.

 

[NickDaGreek1983]

Sorry guys but true skill rank is just silly and I'm being too polite using the word "silly"...
If anybody is familiar with the XBL gamertags "sanioletuchy" and the infamous "FOR THE SHAOLIN" (a.k.a. "WATADAHGER" etc), knows what I'm talking about...

 

[tazzmission]

i dont play online simply because im sticking to my opinion in regards to ms but i have been pretty damn dominate when i play against others at my church when we do game night

 

[trustinme]

true skill rank? If mines above ten then it means fuck all.

 

[Tony at Home]

Yeah, I definitely agree. A win should be a win, no matter how much you win by. Some characters even require you to trade health as a strategy.

As for losing though:
I think the reason all losses aren't created equal though is this game is VERY highly rewarding of players who know the game on a technical level. You can't "barely lose" even if you "barely lose" 100 times in a row against another player who is much more knowledgeable than you regarding the technicalities of the metagame. If they know them, and you don't, you won't lose by a little, you will lose by a huge margin.

The TS system is technically doing what it was made to do. It ensures players don't lose too many games in a row, that way casuals can still have fun online, and don't have to worry about getting bodied 100 times consecutively.

Yet it feels like it's rewarding me for losing games by handing me a freebie....

I would MUCH rather play 100 games where I lose, but it's still a good match- instead of taking turns losing and winning 50 percent of the time each...

How I see the TS scale is :

1-9 "OMG, you're playing DEATHSTROKE??? SPAMMER SPAMMER SPAMMER!"
10-19 "I know how to use all my tools, but don't know matchups and can't use all my moves in a cohesive strategy"
19-24 "I know how to use all my tools, and have a cohesive strategy for how each should be used, but I can't do many things that require me to act on matchup knowledge"
25-28 (Where I think I can get) "I know how to us all my tools, have a good sense of strategy, and can act on matchup knowledge....But I have issues using more advanced setups and techniques.
28-35 You're dam good at this game

 

[1truking]

so just looked at all my ts ranks.

ranked is typically 32 or 33. I lost a few recently to a 33 I should be beating and it dropped it down.

player is 30 because most of the time in player I don't use my main more than a few games I mess around with characters i'm learning.

KOTH is about 33 typically use my main here but mess around some.

Survivor is 35 I never use anybody but my main. I have win % over 90 and usually only stop when everybody leaves the room.

Wonder what my TS would be if I switched to a top tier character instead of a low tier.

I disagree. If you 5-0 or 10-0 or someone or something like that, you're clearly better. Online or offline is not going to make a difference. Online would only be a factor for very skilled players of nearly equal skill. And that's why many people don't have a problem with online play. They would still beat the people they beat and they'd still lose to the people to whom they lose.

Thats not always true. I've played people online that blow me up and I mop the floor with them in tournaments because slight lag affects my character pretty heavily .

 

[Dark_Rob]

I disagree. If you 5-0 or 10-0 or someone or something like that, you're clearly better. Online or offline is not going to make a difference. Online would only be a factor for very skilled players of nearly equal skill. And that's why many people don't have a problem with online play. They would still beat the people they beat and they'd still lose to the people to whom they lose.

This is not nessecarily true. It can be, but it just as easily cant be also. As an example, 2 days before a tournament in NY called On the Edge 3 I was playing a set online against RapZiLLa54 I forget how many games exactly we played, somewhere around 20-25, but I won them all, every match. I 25-0d him.
2 days later by a twist of fate Rapzilla and I faced off at the On the Edge tournament. He beat me 2-1 and sent me to losers. Rapzilla only lives about 30 min from me, both of us have decent internet connections, the input delay was minimal, and the game hardly lagged at all.
Yet that small amount of change that exists in the online environment was the difference in him losing 25 games straight, and beating me 2 days later in person. Online changes things, it has to, there really cant be any other explanation. I seriously doubt he just "leveled up" that much in 2 days. He was always that leveled up and just couldn't show his true potential online. Some people can deal with online and some people cant.

 

[big_aug]

This is not nessecarily true. It can be, but it just as easily cant be also. As an example, 2 days before a tournament in NY called On the Edge 3 I was playing a set online against RapZiLLa54 I forget how many games exactly we played, somewhere around 20-25, but I won them all, every match. I 25-0d him.
2 days later by a twist of fate Rapzilla and I faced off at the On the Edge tournament. He beat me 2-1 and sent me to losers. Rapzilla only lives about 30 min from me, both of us have decent internet connections, the input delay was minimal, and the game hardly lagged at all.
Yet that small amount of change that exists in the online environment was the difference in him losing 25 games straight, and beating me 2 days later in person. Online changes things, it has to, there really cant be any other explanation. I seriously doubt he just "leveled up" that much in 2 days. He was always that leveled up and just couldn't show his true potential online. Some people can deal with online and some people cant.

Do you regularly 25-0 him online? Maybe you're just awful live? Maybe he had a bad day online? The online COULD be what caused this to happen, but there could also be any number of things that caused this result. You did blow him up 25 times in a row. I'd hope he would have learned something.

You are right. It's not NECESSARILY true. However, it probably is true more often than it's not. I'm not saying online is equivalent to offline at all. Read my post. I'm saying it doesn't make a difference in most cases. The characters you're using have a lot to do with it as well. Some characters would benefit by being played online a lot more than others. I play Bane. I'd probably do better live than online simply because it would be easier to deal with zoning and such in an offline environment. I'd certainly have a much easier time with Deathstroke or Superman. That said, I'm still not going to be able to consistently beat people that are clearly better than me just because we switched to offline.

 

[astronout]

looking at these responses, it's absolutely apparent who goes to offline tournaments and who doesn't.

 

[astronout]

using online for anything other than gaining very basic MU experience is a lost cause.

 

[Dark_Rob]

Do you regularly 25-0 him online? Maybe you're just awful live? Maybe he had a bad day online? The online COULD be what caused this to happen, but there could also be any number of things that caused this result. You did blow him up 25 times in a row. I'd hope he would have learned something.

You are right. It's not NECESSARILY true. However, it probably is true more often than it's not. I'm not saying online is equivalent to offline at all. Read my post. I'm saying it doesn't make a difference in most cases. The characters you're using has a lot to do with it as well. Some characters would benefit by being played online a lot more than others. I play Bane. I'd probably do better live than online simply because it would be easier to deal with zoning and such in an offline environment. I'd certainly have a much easier time with Deathstroke or Superman. That said, I'm still not going to be able to consistently beat people are clearly better than me, online or off.

Actually the live matches were of much higher quality than anything we did online, from both of us. But it was the same characters online and off Green Lantern vs. Batman. This was awhile ago however and I don't play Injustice anymore, so while it would be interesting to do this comparison again, its obviously not going to happen.
I cant testify to the ratio of how often it is true vs. how often it isn't true but Il assume you know more about it than I do and defer to your judgement here.
The only point I was really trying to make is that people respond in different situations differently. Someone may be a great player but they just cannot adjust to playing the game online with varying degrees of lag and input delay. Some players may be great online but are so used to it that theyre timing is off playing offline. Some people may be amazing in casuals and go 0-2 in tournaments because the high pressure situation makes them to nervous to play effectively in that setting. Other people may thrive in the tournament settting and cant ever truly be at theyre best unless they are under that kind of pressure. People are all different and play differently in different situations. So even if you 20-0 someone online or offline in casuals for that matter does that make you a better player than they? It might. Then again it might not.

 

[big_aug]

Actually the live matches were of much higher quality than anything we did online, from both of us. But it was the same characters online and off Green Lantern vs. Batman. This was awhile ago however and I don't play Injustice anymore, so while it would be interesting to do this comparison again, its obviously not going to happen.
I cant testify to the ratio of how often it is true vs. how often it isn't true but Il assume you know more about it than I do and defer to your judgement here.
The only point I was really trying to make is that people respond in different situations differently. Someone may be a great player but they just cannot adjust to playing the game online with varying degrees of lag and input delay. Some players may be great online but are so used to it that theyre timing is off playing offline. Some people may be amazing in casuals and go 0-2 in tournaments because the high pressure situation makes them to nervous to play effectively in that setting. Other people may thrive in the tournament settting and cant ever truly be at theyre best unless they are under that kind of pressure. People are all different and play differently in different situations. So even if you 20-0 someone online or offline in casuals for that matter does that make you a better player than they? It might. Then again it might not.

All I'm saying is that it doesn't matter for most of us mortals. We aren't good enough that the results would change much. For very skilled players, yes, it's probably a huge difference. I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying. There certainly are huge amounts of variables at play.

 

[Lex Luthor II]

The only player who I notice any difference using offline vs online is AM. His scoop timing can vary online, and so can his b12 after a 22 from the deep, those are tough.

For footsie timing with lag and speed I wonder how much offline vs online changes from someone like the Flash, I'd imagine Flash offline is better than online.

Edit: I feel like Batman would suffer going from online to offline, his ji2 crossover in conjunction with battraits flying at you would be a lot easier to block offline. Superman and WWs air dash crossover attacks are easy to block online, but Batmans kick can be hard.

 

[Hellbringer]

I'm saying prove yourself as in prove you're better than your opponent. You cannot do that online. I don't care how badly you beat someone online, the only way you can prove you're better than him is in an offline setting with preferably something on the line.

Yeah great, i spend my x5 boost for nothing :/

 

[GhosT]

Can anyone explain to me how online players have in several instances shown up offline and outplay offline players who have large competitive scenes?



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[Badboy Takuma]

Can anyone explain to me how online players have in several instances shown up offline and outplay offline players who have large competitive scenes?



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it is possible but u have to be an extreme phenomenal online player like A F0xy Grampa or FOREVER KING to do that.
i would say only UsedForGlue was on psn EU a phenomenal legit online player too.

 

[Lex Luthor II]

Can anyone explain to me how online players have in several instances shown up offline and outplay offline players who have large competitive scenes?

People say those are flukes, and I dont believe them, at all.

Fighting games seems to bring out some arrogant snobbery with offline vs online, just generally. Always happens from a small group of vocal people. YOU DONT EVEN PLAY OFFLINE BRO F10 ME OFFLINE!

Not saying that about anyone here, but in general people just like to say things like that.

If you are good, you will be good online and offline. It's different, but won't take long to adjust for good players, going from online to offline, and vice versa.

 

[Lex Luthor II]

I just looked it up, my trueskill is at a 36 right now, and in the top 100 theres only 2 people with a higher trueskill right now, one of them is number 2 on the list, and one is Foxy Grandpa who is trueskill 37.

NoGodsButMe aka Eric on here is also 36, shout out to my Hawkgirl friend.

This may be why it feels like everyone declines me. It'd be nice if I could hide my stuff to get more matches, I take it there's no way to reset stats or anything like that nay?

 

[xInfra Deadx]

No. True Skill DOES NOT and WILL NOT matter.

/thread.

 

[Lex Luthor II]

No. True Skill DOES NOT and WILL NOT matter.

/thread.

Except in general its a pretty decent indicator of how good the person you are playing is, generally, with exceptions.

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