Some people claim it is reactable/fuzzy guarded due to the huge flash of pink from Ex Roll, otherwise Im not sure. Unless you confirm the low into big damage (ie Roll) there is not much to fear from being hit by the low except a low sai afterwards or a telekick. But hit confirming that isnt easy to do.
Thats a fair question
idk.. perhaps. i try to delay it as far as possible but sometimes ex roll doesn't come out. might be an input error on my part. i'll see about that. good idea.
...I tried to figure it out with her F4 gaining enough advantage to combo into almost all of her starters on hit as well, but I'm just not seeing how the numbers really work out.
I don't use it, its too risky. I think it can be fuzzied depending on when you cancel into ex roll. I mean you can cancel into ex roll at different times of the 2 animation. If you are using ethereal its better to go for en ex fade or regular fade instead of the roll.
We need to lab and determine at which hit/point it can be fuzzy blocked.
Basically what Gab said. You HAVE to use the low first. And often.
I'm not 100% sure on how the calculations are made, but I know the math here is wrong. First, +2 on block is just that; block advantage. That means, if you do no followups on block at all, Mileena will recover from the impact in 25 frames and her opponent recovers in 27 frames. So you don't add the +2. (Give or take. If the kick makes contact on the last active frame, you could be at +3 or so since Mileena is that much closer to recovery.)
^In a general response to this for anyone wondering:
To directly answer this, don't rely on in game frame data. Trust me, you'll find many more errors, than accuracy. Also, you only really add a frame or two at best, if you have the final move hit at it's very tip, in which for many moves, that's the only hitbox it will have regardless and for some moves too, it makes no difference.
Oh yeah I forgot to reply to that lol. It's kinda meh, when you have f1 that is safe all the way as opposed to committing to our lovely unsafe AF roll lol...
No it's the same setup with meaty B1, if they don't wake up B1 won't touch and roll won't come out. That's why i need you to explore more about that.
Ahhh ok, I see what you're saying. I'm testing it out and yes, it does do that, but F12b4 is able to break as quick as 7f armored wakeups and you can hit confirm into a combo from it for more damage than B1. It's an interesting setup, but F1 does all of that on its own and is +1/+2 if blocked.
Depending on the height of their jump, you can tele or roll on reaction. Roll will usually beat it out every time despite the height, but if they're altering their timing, then EXRoll on reaction works too lol. That and, whiffing a d3 will cause the jump in to whiff, and you'll recover quicker. Maybe not in time to punish, but enough to gain your own pace again.
Thank you for this.
No problem. On the charts, I recorded the moves and played them out at 60 frames per second to get the accurate numbers. There wasn't a "Real" formula to it other than having to count it frame by frame. For the Fade formula though, it's based on the total duration of it. EXFade Forward is 15f total duration and the other two are 14F total duration.
If I use B1 roll I can react to wake up back dash, chase people down and punish. If I only press F1 I'll lose a combo opportunity if people wake up, however F12B4 is minus if they don't. It's still based on read though, but sometimes I just need to make my setups less predictable. Everything can be blown up easily if repeated too many times
I agree with this point.
