Arkayne
Jade Mod. Poison Ivy
I dont remember who asked but heres the footage of me vs Hitoshura at SB5.
http://www.twitch.tv/kombatnetwork/b/297555433
36:40
http://www.twitch.tv/kombatnetwork/b/297555433
36:40
As it was live it's laggy a lot, anyway gj very interesting game in general, but my suggestion - more ex SO, that could make u a lot of combo setups.I dont remember who asked but heres the footage of me vs Hitoshura at SB5.
http://www.twitch.tv/kombatnetwork/b/297555433
36:40
I posted in the thread that Cyrax and Kitana should definitely be around 5-5 ESPECIALLY Cyrax. I think that is a 6-4 for Jade.My opinion: Cyrax and Kitana are definitely not bad, at most 5-5 both, Kitana more 6-5. I have doubts about Freddy, but I have very least experience. The rest seems accurate.
Well, i predicted his upball with b2 - hard but i succeded, and d3 + ex glow + ex SO were my helpers against his close game.Anyone knows how to handle kano?..his pressure and frame traps can be overwhelming at times..
the b2 prediction has good reward but its too risky..I wouldn't even use it if I had a huge life lead..she can't really afford to get knocked down..I also use a lot of d1 and glow of course.. Ex SO is good but only from a distance..I hate the start up for the hyper armor..beause of bad start up I'll get hit out of it..not having the old U3 truthfully makes all of her matchups more annoyingWell, i predicted his upball with b2 - hard but i succeded, and d3 + ex glow + ex SO were my helpers against his close game.
yea the 1 game isn't the right idea as I just got blowned up for it a while ago lol...I noticed another thing..when you ex glow to keep pressure going he can upball through you and throw you off of your momentum... Guess I'll be asking this question in the punishment thread. Anyways because of this I don't think ex glow is that useful in this matchup offensively..I wouldn't reccomend against a good kano..it puts you in a position where youwant to get your hits in but because jade normals is slow you won't have time to punish upball..so in a sense when you glow you have to get ready for it as you pressure at that moment in timeThat is a bad idea agaist Kano. I wouldn't risk that I play against a kano and Josh the funk doc. Yeah, you'll get blown up free. Kano can do balls whenever he wants to. It isn't that you can predict them B+2 a Kano Ball it's a BIG guess. Not a Prediction.
I suggest versus Kano is to play the hit and run game. Especially with Jade get a lead and stay back he has to come to you in the end. I know for a fact you can see a FULL SCREEN kano ball coming a Mile Away.
His knives are deceptively fast by the way.
Matchups Based on My Current Experience
No way. I'm personally from the camp that says "Yes. My character is OP. He has VERY few bad match-ups." But I think that seems to be the general opinion on him. There is no way Jade is a bad MU. What exactly can she do? I play Cyrax and am in no way tourney level with him, but I have played some of the better Jade players out there and I rarely feel threatened in this MU. Yes, if I stand mid-fullscreen throwing Nets, I will lose against Jade, but how does she handle him up close? 12xxNet, 33xxNet, jP21xxNet all lead to 70% and he has the Command Throw should she try to play defensively. He also has 111 and 334 for pressure tools, as well as some great pokes. He has all of these up-close tools that she can't do much of anything against. She MAY be able to make it a 5-5 because she does have EN Glow as a counter up-close and Flash does prevent him from using Net from far away, but he shouldn't be throwing random nets in this matchup. Not at all. In fact, I wouldnt let his chest open unless it was in the middle of a hit-confirmed string. I'd call this a 5-5 AT BEST for her. No way she has any advantage.6-4 vs Cyrax This is a bad matchup for Cyrax. I almost want to put it as a 7-3 for Jade. I would if it wasn't for his potent damage.
I can't agree with this one, either. I have A LOT of experience with this match-up, and I can't imagine it being neutral at all. Her only reliable pressure escape is going to be EN Glow and D3. Given, if her poke game is stellar she can get out with a few D3s followed by a B2. But, of the characters I play, I feel she has the most trouble escaping pressure. She needs on point meter management. Yes, she can win this one, but it's not easy. I feel she works a lot harder than he. 4-6, maybe 4.5-5.5.5-5 vs Johnny Cage I think this matchup isn't that bad for Jade. She can glow through all of his pressure traps and usually get a free combo out of it. (Like his EX Fireball trap)
This one is pretty highly debatable, I think. But honestly, in my opinion, it goes (slightly) in Jade's favour. And that comes from experience playing both sides of the match-up. Against Jade, zoning just is not an option for Kitana. I've played a lot with Birdsongs (Jade vs Kitana) and StarCharger (Kitana vs Jade). and I really do feel at the advantage on the Jade side and like I'm struggling for footing as Kit.5-5 vs Kitana Jade and Kitanna are battling for similar space here. This match is all about who has the life lead.
No way. Maybe against an Alex Valle or Mr Napps style zoning Shang; but against a rushdown/frame trapping Shang, She's gonna have a hard time. He's faster than her up close, and (like in the Cage Match-Up) she has a hard time escaping his pressure game. I'd call it 5-5. Neutralizing his zoning is big, but not enough to swing it in her favour, imo.6-4 vs Shang Tsung
I'd almost call it a 3-7. This one is VERY tough for her.4-6 vs Sonya Blade - This matchup is tough. Sonya can take away your staff slam with the arc kick, she is also a better zoner than you, and a WAY better up close fighter. Difficult matchup.
What are you negating? He can hesitate and cancel the gunshot into a Roll Toss. His mix-up is easily fuzzy-guarded once you learn it, though. I can agree with calling it a 6-4, but that statement makes it sound like she completely shuts him down. I think a safe Roll Toss and an 8f Roundhouse are enough to keep her on her toes.6-4 vs Stryker I agree with this, Strykers whole game is pretty much negated.
6-4 vs Sub-Zero
No way. A Rushdown Sub-Zero will destroy Jade. Well, not destroy, but he definitely keeps her on her toes. I've played this match-up plenty and seen footage of Easy Fresh v Shoryuken. Fresh could use a bit more Flash in his life, but his spacing is nearly perfect and his use of B2 is phenomenal. And having played against him myself, I'd be hard-pressed to find a better Jade player. Yes, Jade goes 6-4 against a zoning Sub, but utilizing B12 and 22, he can rush her down far too easily. I call it 5-5.This one is going to be controversial. I REALLY think Jade has the advantage here. Especially if you are going to "Lame it out". It is insane how many Sub Zero's at least online, have no idea what to do when you can stay at full screen and negate their ice blast. This matchup is about life leads, and patience, but with the ability to negate any meter build from Sub at fullscreen, he is going to get desperate. Jade can handle this matchup very well.
Been a while since I posted in here.No way. I'm personally from the camp that says "Yes. My character is OP. He has VERY few bad match-ups." But I think that seems to be the general opinion on him. There is no way Jade is a bad MU. What exactly can she do? I play Cyrax and am in no way tourney level with him, but I have played some of the better Jade players out there and I rarely feel threatened in this MU. Yes, if I stand mid-fullscreen throwing Nets, I will lose against Jade, but how does she handle him up close? 12xxNet, 33xxNet, jP21xxNet all lead to 70% and he has the Command Throw should she try to play defensively. He also has 111 and 334 for pressure tools, as well as some great pokes. He has all of these up-close tools that she can't do much of anything against. She MAY be able to make it a 5-5 because she does have EN Glow as a counter up-close and Flash does prevent him from using Net from far away, but he shouldn't be throwing random nets in this matchup. Not at all. In fact, I wouldnt let his chest open unless it was in the middle of a hit-confirmed string. I'd call this a 5-5 AT BEST for her. No way she has any advantage.
I can't agree with this one, either. I have A LOT of experience with this match-up, and I can't imagine it being neutral at all. Her only reliable pressure escape is going to be EN Glow and D3. Given, if her poke game is stellar she can get out with a few D3s followed by a B2. But, of the characters I play, I feel she has the most trouble escaping pressure. She needs on point meter management. Yes, she can win this one, but it's not easy. I feel she works a lot harder than he. 4-6, maybe 4.5-5.5.
This one is pretty highly debatable, I think. But honestly, in my opinion, it goes (slightly) in Jade's favour. And that comes from experience playing both sides of the match-up. Against Jade, zoning just is not an option for Kitana. I've played a lot with Birdsongs (Jade vs Kitana) and StarCharger (Kitana vs Jade). and I really do feel at the advantage on the Jade side and like I'm struggling for footing as Kit.
We are fighting for the same footing, but if Jade is out of that zone, she has the upper hand.
I don't think it's a significant advantage for Jade, though. Something like 5.5-4.5. I wouldnt even call it a bad MU.
Note: Looking at your list, you used only whole numbers, and I would be VERY hard pressed to call it 6-4, so I get it.
No way. Maybe against an Alex Valle or Mr Napps style zoning Shang; but against a rushdown/frame trapping Shang, She's gonna have a hard time. He's faster than her up close, and (like in the Cage Match-Up) she has a hard time escaping his pressure game. I'd call it 5-5. Neutralizing his zoning is big, but not enough to swing it in her favour, imo.
I'd almost call it a 3-7. This one is VERY tough for her.
What are you negating? He can hesitate and cancel the gunshot into a Roll Toss. His mix-up is easily fuzzy-guarded once you learn it, though. I can agree with calling it a 6-4, but that statement makes it sound like she completely shuts him down. I think a safe Roll Toss and an 8f Roundhouse are enough to keep her on her toes.
No way. A Rushdown Sub-Zero will destroy Jade. Well, not destroy, but he definitely keeps her on her toes. I've played this match-up plenty and seen footage of Easy Fresh v Shoryuken. Fresh could use a bit more Flash in his life, but his spacing is nearly perfect and his use of B2 is phenomenal. And having played against him myself, I'd be hard-pressed to find a better Jade player. Yes, Jade goes 6-4 against a zoning Sub, but utilizing B12 and 22, he can rush her down far too easily. I call it 5-5.
I've commented on the ones I disagree with, but for the most part, I find your match-up assessment spot on. Good job.
Man,I have her pegged at 6-4 against noob. It would be higher, but Noob does have a decent rushdown believe it or not.
And you're allowed to disagree. That's just my opinion on those matches. Ask 100 different players, get 100 different answers. ^_^
I do have to question what Cyrax players you are playing against, though. I cant imagine her being advantage there. His rushdown is better even without his huge resets. And if she ever, even once, uses Flash then Boomerang, a well-timed Net catches at the end of the Flash animation before another can be input, making it difficult for her to zone him.
You said, her being able to "float around the screen" is great, but what exactly is she doing while she's floating? This assessment really confuses me.