Match-up Discussion Jade Matchup Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Jade' started by Konqrr, Aug 7, 2011.

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  1. Prinz

    Prinz Come at me and DIE

    I'd say it's very accurate, though there could be more 3-7's (Sonya for example). I want to mention that once you get used to time d3 and b4 against cross-punches, a lot of games will get better. And Sub-Zero I feel is 6-4 - yes, he has good rush down, but once you get out he has to come in again and that is not in his favor at all - always flash and expect slide from him and you are gold.
  2. TakeAChance

    TakeAChance Web Shooting Enthusiast

    Punish Baraka's Blade Charges with shadow kick EVERY time. It can ALWAYS punish it. It took me a while to figure that out. When you do, the matchup becomes easier :).
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  3. Optimistman

    Optimistman Member

    I'm not a jade user, but i see literally none on psn. I miss seeing jades, she's such an awesome character.
  4. CompletelyJaded

    CompletelyJaded Whiffmaker

    There's one less Jade on PSN now.
  5. Prinz

    Prinz Come at me and DIE

    This Final Round was HYPE!!!!!! The greatest tournament so far. Too bad no Jades, but here http://www.twitch.tv/medina4life/b/310607483 at 11:41:00 Big D fought POTH's Kenshi with Nightwolf. I believe this is the way to go with Jade against Kenshi as well. Be at flashkick distance and bait his specials and cross them over.
  6. RTM2004

    RTM2004 Well-Known Member

    It's actually easier said than done. I've played Faded Dreams V on XBL who is a 100% pure zoning Kenshi and her Shadow Kick within the right spacing still gets blown up by his Spirit Charge, not sure why he has priority. He builds meter so fast every time you block his special moves, he can armor against your armor and even once you get in he has a Breaker. Currently Kenshi is the worst match I can't seem to win with Jade, I would take Raiden, Reptile and Kung Lao over him any day. Jade only builds meter from the damage taken, there's no way for her to build it on her own. They say Jade can't zone but also can't be zoned, Kenshi is the only one who can zone Jade and can't be zoned by Jade. The way Kenshi dominates nearly the entire cast except Kung Lao, Kabal and Raiden - I can only speculate some nerfs in this rumored upcoming final patch/hotfix either toning down his armor, nerfing his special moves like Spirit Charge/Telefury the Jade versus Kenshi MU will still be 3-7.
  7. Prinz

    Prinz Come at me and DIE

    I totally agree. He's the worst match for her. I'd like to see his teleflury go through Jade's flash. This only thing would make it 6-4. But if his blade moves (overheads and launcher) did instead, it would totally be 5-5.
  8. RTM2004

    RTM2004 Well-Known Member

    I would like Jade to Flash through anything but realistically it's not a projectile like his X-Ray starter. The problems Jade have with Kenshi is his Spirit Charge and Rising Karma when she is trying to close in. Telefury and overhead Slashing you can dash and block standing closing in but online it's hard. It's his Spirit Charge which has a ridiculous fast start up like Nightwolf's Shoulder Charge except it can't be ducked, it has push back and it recovers too fast blocked. His Rising Karma prevents jump in attempts, Jade has Ex Glow but when Kenshi is loaded with meter for armor, that's where it's overwhelming for Jade.

    If Kenshi ends up getting nerfed like armor toned down, decrease meter building, longer recovery on Sprit Charge/Rising Karma then this match would move down to 4-6, still Kenshi's favor. I was invited into a King of the Hill room awhile back with Krayzie Bone and the counter-picker pboardplayer *salty* - Krayzie Bone actually does better with the Kenshi MU than me, his strategy was to make sure Kenshi burned all his meter then do as much damage to Kenshi while you still can. Then I see Krayzie Bone struggling against pboardplayer's Kung Lao which I almost beat his online abuse.. I'm salty as hell about that match. Either way, Jade does have her bad MU most which are manageable but Kenshi is her worst truly bad MU in the game.
  9. CompletelyJaded

    CompletelyJaded Whiffmaker

    Online players will always be salty and pick raiden or lao on a jade that has beaten their mashing scorpion or sub zero. You need not be, remember that you are better than that.
  10. CompletelyJaded

    CompletelyJaded Whiffmaker

    Anything that cannot teleport is in her favor.
  11. KHAMELEON

    KHAMELEON Banned

    what is general strat against liu please
  12. Prinz

    Prinz Come at me and DIE

    Send him fullscreen, he doesn't have a teleport so let him come to you, rip 20% and send him fullscreen again. Up-close it's general strategy: fuzzyguard, mostly block low, most of his strings are 0 so d3, then 4df4df4 to send him fullscreen. My thoughts.
  13. CompletelyJaded

    CompletelyJaded Whiffmaker

    You win the zoning war and you win if he rushes you down. Liu is typically the kind of character that the more consistently you execute your moves the more consistently you will beat.
  14. McNasty

    McNasty Go Home Weakling! Staff Member

    So I was thinking of jade's old U3 and how good it was...then I thought "man how cool would it be if she had a normal with the options of cages f3" What I envision this move as is her HP combo starter in UMK3 only in mk9 as a mid hitting, forward advancing, special cancel-able, 0 to -3 on block, around 10 frame start-up staff check to keep people honest up close and maintain some pressure when mixed in with d3/d4/b3 etc. Maybe everything I listed is a bit over the top but it is only a pipe dream, what are you guys' thoughts?
  15. CompletelyJaded

    CompletelyJaded Whiffmaker

    Anything that makes her top tier is fine with me. :)
  16. McNasty

    McNasty Go Home Weakling! Staff Member

    Such an underwhelming response.

    Play Sonya shes top tier and wears green from time to time.:coffee:
  17. CompletelyJaded

    CompletelyJaded Whiffmaker

    No. And share that coffee already.
  18. iroku

    iroku Member

    she is that bad vs kabal ?? damm, noob is like 2-8 vs kabal but its not like a 3-7 is any better :/ dam jade and i was going to pick you up:/
  19. CompletelyJaded

    CompletelyJaded Whiffmaker

    I beat most kabals consistently online.
    Prinzmetal made the kabal matchup 5-5 offline last time I checked.
    Don't pick based on matchups, those are only relevant on a professional level. Pick based on character, if you like somebody, play them and see if the style fits you.
  20. Prinz

    Prinz Come at me and DIE

    Jade - Kabal is 9-1, REO knows it, but he's afraid to admit it because everybody will start to see.
  21. Espio

    Espio Shake, Rattle & Roll Staff Member

    PSN:
    Espio872
    Don't stress so much about the match up charts.


    I can beat most Kabals, even really good ones with Jade consistently.


    I also do not understand the logic of this match up being 7-3 when Jade nullifies a big part of Kabal's game: his zoning.


    She can ex glow to blow up pressure too and Jade has some decent pressure of her own up close, makes no sense to me. Jade also has a great down 3 to lower her hitbox to get out of Kabal pressure and excellent range as well.

    I don't think this match up is any worse than 6-4 in Kabal's favor. Match up charts differ on whom you ask throughout the community as well.

    Honestly though, just play who you like and enjoy.
  22. RTM2004

    RTM2004 Well-Known Member

    Just learned from Mr. Mileena that Jade doesn't have a small hitbox like Kitana and Mileena against Kabal... Boo!

    Which is why Kabal can NDC pressure Jade up close, he doesn't need to iAGB/Saw her full screen at all. Ex Glow means nothing up close because he can stuff it with the right read during his NDC game. Her best shot is to keep distance, bait his Nomad Dash, always watch his meter since his Ex Nomad Dash goes through everything, even between her strings.
  23. Mara

    Mara self proclaimed best harley quinn

    jade is way to difficult of a character to learn, I'm just sticking with mileena
  24. Espio

    Espio Shake, Rattle & Roll Staff Member

    PSN:
    Espio872
    She has an average sized hitbox, it's neither small nor big from what I understand.

    Saying glow means nothing because he can potentially scout it would be like saying ex cartwheel is useless because it can be scouted. Ex glow is to be used sparingly, especially given that you can get out of his pressure without it.

    You can stuff any move with the right read.


    If you throw it out once in a while, he's not going to be evading it everytime you do it. Knowing when to glow is a big deal.
  25. RTM2004

    RTM2004 Well-Known Member

    Ex Purple Glow should be 0 frames like his Ground Saw XD
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