SimSim
Norwegian Lab-work Champion
You need to take the recovery and invincibility frames in to account too though. I would definitely predict Zod having the best backdash in the game post patch though!
You need to take the recovery and invincibility frames in to account too though. I would definitely predict Zod having the best backdash in the game post patch though!
Use sweep, activate trait and get punished. Not a good idea. 123 is alright, but you can't apply pressure as they wake up from it after activating trait. Here is a video showing why the hard knock down nerfs affect my game play quite a lot, and also why I think the nerfs limits Zod's use of trait a lot. With hard knock down you can set up pressure with trait, but after the nerf, Zod will have to activate trait in a non-momentum situation and therefor have to work just to get in to a position to pressure with the trait:
Do it during a bounce period like 12 in the air or something. Or when they are in a juggle from air Zod Balls. Or MB Phantom Strike
During bounce is way too little advantage for a meaty MB laser for example. Same with MB PS. Juggle from Zod balls can work, but only outside of combos, so it's not the pressure situation I am talking about. Getting trait out safe is a piece of cake. I am just saying that Zod is way more limited with his trait activation pressure because of hard knock down being removed.
I wouldn't say that's a big issue though. He can't do meaty MB laser, but trait itself being out provides all the pressure you need to keep the match in your favor. I mean, we still have charge laser fakeouts and 123 trait jump ins.
The thing is: the opponent can just dash in an avoid the trait completely because of the cool down and because the trait moves slowly. Now it won't glitch out, so that is an improvement, but you can't discourage mindless rushdown on Zod after trait activation because of the cool down (Unless you activate it from far away in a proper situation). What do you mean by 123 trat jump ins? The opponent recovers fast enough to hold up and hit you with an air attack/d2 you/backdash/forward dash before the trait is able to attack or before you are in his face with your jump in.
I agree that your mind game is pretty good, but they can just dash up to you and pressure though.
If they do that, Bite is the world's greatest trade
Most Zod's won't have a problem with d1 and d12 losing HK because they haven't used it and haven't been pressured after activating 123 trait. I have used them a lot and know how much mileage I get from them, and I have seen how people have been dashing/attacking through attempts at activating trait after 123. The trait will still be very good, but Zod is limited to mix ups from far or to work his way in with the little time he has to gain an advantageous situation where the trait is fully active and ready to slash/grab.
They have time to dash up and d1/grab you before trait can grab (Might not apply to all forward dashes)
Obviously don't activate trait after a sweep, use a sweep in the corner and 123 midscreen.
I just spent my last posts explaining a lot of stuff that you just ignored. Also in the corner you end with 123 for a free reverse wake up.
You basically put forward that if you do 123 then they can dash into your face. If you're letting people get up from that string and dash into you then I don't know what to tell you, punish them for it. Having trait out isn't all about hitting buttons as soon as you can.
You don't seem to understand what I am getting at at all. It is not about weather you are able to defend against someone dashing in to your face, but about how much Zod loses with the d1 and d12 nerf. Sure you can react to the forward dash after 123 xx trait, but you can't pressure their wake up to avoid it. Therefor you have to respect the forward dash option and not apply trait pressure oki. This is a huge limitation compared to d1 and d12 ender, and that is what I am trying to put forward. 123 xx trait is still a safe option to get trait out, but it's not in the same league as d12 and d1 in the pressure department.
It's not that big a limitation really, there is one slight variable now and that is if the opponent dashes, but the ball is still in Zods court, it really doesn't change that much at all.
Where mb laser would shut down wake up attacks, jumps and dashes it will not anymore. To me that is a big limitation. This is all my opinion though, and by no means am I saying Zod will suffer a lot from this. I will just play more defensive.
If you like playing defensive, you should invest more in PS. Traiting afterward may not lead to something they can't deal with like MB Laser, but with trait out, they HAVE to eat that laser mixup really. Every option they may take out of this, while not a wrong decision, is almost always a bad decision. The difference? Superman waking up with Super from cross screen is a bad decision, even if it is a smart move. Sinestro or Aquaman opening up with projectile is a bad decision with trait out since I can just not do Laser and grab them instead. It's kind of the same principles with wakeups and the whatnot
Yea MB PS is a good option for defensive play!
