Why this game is so unfair to zoning ?

[ABACABB]

I dont understand it :/ Why this game favors so much one playstyle ? Few characters in this game which can space control well are weak upclose but on the other hand many rushdown characters are given tools to counter zone or teleport.
Why is that ? How i am supposed to zone effectively if my oponent can counter it well or teleport and if he gets in I have no tools ( or weak tools ) to counter his pressure and mixups ?
On top of that any good zoning often gets pre nerfed in case its " too good".

This game have so strong anti zoning that I think even mk9 kenshi would not be that good in mk xl anymore lol

 

[MrProfDrPepper]

To be honest I think that we are past that, acidic is an amazing zoner, kitana is an amazing zoner, sektor is an amazing zoner, lasher takeda is an amazing zoner. Summoner quan is now pretty much exclusively a zoner now and a damn good one at that. There are plenty of really good zoners in this game now IMO

 

[KHTC Takgillo]

When zoner are good upclose they become rushdown aka Liu kang IMO

 

[ABACABB]

So liu is good at both ?

 

[Northern Slasher]

Play Sektor. He does very well at keep away/zoning.

 

[STB Shujinkydink]

I think most fighting games have characters designed to get around full range games. You're just gonna have to adapt

 

[Invincible Salads]

hqt is still a great zoner.

 

[Rathalos]

People booing Superman in Injustice grand finals hurt Boons feelings.

 

[Olcadan13]

acidic is an amazing zoner

Are we playing two different acidics?

 

[MadeOfMetal]

I dont understand it :/ Why this game favors so much one playstyle ? Few characters in this game which can space control well are weak upclose but on the other hand many rushdown characters are given tools to counter zone or teleport.
Why is that ? How i am supposed to zone effectively if my oponent can counter it well or teleport and if he gets in I have no tools ( or weak tools ) to counter his pressure and mixups ?
On top of that any good zoning often gets pre nerfed in case its " too good".

This game have so strong anti zoning that I think even mk9 kenshi would not be that good in mk xl anymore lol

its because NRS favores Casuals which they should in some aspects, the majority of their buyers are casual players, and most of them don't know how to deal with telegraphed projectiles.
honestly in this game you can't be a zoner only with any character. you must combine rushdown footsies and zoning with those characters to prevail.
perfect example is Liu kang, great zoning but, can be broken once timed well. then liu has to utilize his close game rushdown and footsies to get them back out of arms reach.

same goes for Jacqui full auto and many other characters like Tremor, Predator, Quan, Kitana, Kano, Cyrax Sektor and so forth

 

[MrProfDrPepper]

Are we playing two different acidics?

I guess so since acidic has an amazing anti air, damn good projectiles that leave poison and stack so you do INSANE damage from full screen, your long reaching d4 causes poison, your caltrops are great for keeping people out. I honestly don't see how acidic is anything less than an amazing zoner.

 

[Olcadan13]

I guess so since acidic has an amazing anti air, damn good projectiles that leave poison and stack so you do INSANE damage from full screen, your long reaching d4 causes poison, your caltrops are great for keeping people out. I honestly don't see how acidic is anything less than an amazing zoner.

Space control and zoning are different, at least to me. Can't have fullscreen presence with no fullscreen projectile

 

[ABACABB]

He is defensive /space control character but not rly a amazing zoner. Try to zone hqt with him lol

 

[GAV]

This game forces you to become well rounded. Its not anti-zoning or anti-rushdown. It simply forces you to be able to deal with wherever the matches go.

 

[oaoo94]

Shinnok is a great zoner and rusher.

 

[MrProfDrPepper]

Space control and zoning are different, at least to me. Can't have fullscreen presence with no fullscreen projectile

Space control is a variation of zoning. As is keep away, acidic is a great zoner since he controls space very well. I think the zoning you think as zoning is keep away, which is also a variation of zoning, but if that is what you want maybe you should pick up high qu ten preds

 

[xInfra Deadx]

People booing Superman in Injustice grand finals hurt Boons feelings.

His zoning wasn't what was stupid though...F23.

*shudder*

 

[MrProfDrPepper]

His zoning wasn't what was stupid though...F23.

*shudder*

Fear the plus frames, FEAR THE RANGE! F23 WILL CONSUME YOU!!!!!

 

[Invincible Salads]

in that way then, konjurer is a great space control character.

 

[Espio]

I dunno where any of this is even coming from really. A lot of the cast that are zoners or space control characters got poke buffs (see Kitana with a 6 framer), the new clock makes winning from lame strategies incredibly feasible, the new breaker system means everyone has to calm down and go back to neutral.

I use this time to zone people and walk back since they cannot run in or anything of the sort. The game might not heavily cater to zoning, but even as shit execution wise as I am, I manage to instant air fan and zone with Kitana offline and online and I win with this strategy against skilled opponents, not just your dimestore ranked players. What's everyone else's excuse? A lot of zoners have armor in addition to the aforementioned decent speed pokes with respectable advantage.

Whenever people cry about the lack of zoning or defensive strategies, they make sure to omit all of the above because that would indicate that their conspiracy theory about NRS hating zoning is mostly unfounded at best.

I dont understand it :/ Why this game favors so much one playstyle ? Few characters in this game which can space control well are weak upclose but on the other hand many rushdown characters are given tools to counter zone or teleport.
Why is that ? How i am supposed to zone effectively if my oponent can counter it well or teleport and if he gets in I have no tools ( or weak tools ) to counter his pressure and mixups ?
On top of that any good zoning often gets pre nerfed in case its " too good".

I main Kitana and zone the vast majority of my matches. Does a zoner need to be able to zone non-stop in every match up to be considered good? Cause I don't see what the problem is with Kitana, Quan, Sektor, Alien, or Predator for example. You have to adapt in some match ups, so does everyone else.

This game have so strong anti zoning that I think even mk9 kenshi would not be that good in mk xl anymore lol

See at first I thought you wanted to be serious, but then you posted this, good one -__-.

He is defensive /space control character but not rly a amazing zoner. Try to zone hqt with him lol

So because a zoner might get outzoned by ANOTHER zoner they're not a zoner? That makes sense (except for it doesn't).

 

[dribirut]

Op is right honestly. There is only one good zoner, and that is hqt.

 

[Olcadan13]

His zoning wasn't what was stupid though...F23.

*shudder*

 

[Zoidberg747]

Space control and zoning are different, at least to me. Can't have fullscreen presence with no fullscreen projectile

Zoning is space control.

There are plenty of characters who can control space well in MKX.

But if you are just looking to chuck projectiles just pick up Pretty Lady LF. His keepaway is pretty good.

 

[Invincible Salads]

I dunno where any of this is even coming from really. A lot of the cast that are zoners or space control characters got poke buffs (see Kitana with a 6 framer), the new clock makes winning from lame strategies incredibly feasible, the new breaker system means everyone has to calm down and go back to neutral.

I use this time to zone people and walk back since they cannot run in or anything of the sort. The game might not heavily cater to zoning, but even as shit execution wise as I am, I manage to instant air fan and zone with Kitana offline and online and I win with this strategy against skilled opponents, not just your dimestore ranked players. What's everyone else's excuse? A lot of zoners have armor in addition to the aforementioned decent speed pokes with respectable advantage.

Whenever people cry about the lack of zoning or defensive strategies, they make sure to omit all of the above because that would indicate that their conspiracy theory about NRS hating zoning is mostly unfounded at best.




I main Kitana and zone the vast majority of my matches. Does a zoner need to be able to zone non-stop in every match up to be considered good? Cause I don't see what the problem is with Kitana, Quan, Sektor, Alien, or Predator for example. You have to adapt in some match ups, so does everyone else.



See at first I thought you wanted to be serious, but then you posted this, good one -__-.




So because a zoner might get outzoned by ANOTHER zoner they're not a zoner? That makes sense (except for it doesn't).

predators always have the advantage against aliens unless they come in packs

 

[Krazee77]

I like a little bit of both zoning and rush down at the end of the day you'll have to adapt that's where having a pocket character will help