Why this game is so unfair to zoning ?

[ienjoywinning]

well, i barely see any QC do trance on block, they always do it for a restand after a combo so yeah, there's no difference at all.

Im talking about if you want to get your bat you either want to do a huge risk by canceling into an ex trance or spending 2 bars.

 

[WakeUp DP]

Everyone keeps saying this like it's a good thing, but if you even delay it just slightly the second hit will whiff and your opponent just drops leaving you at - frames.

And if you go for rune and want to block a reversal you get to enhance it, lose a bar and get full combo punished, corner carried into a hard knock down for hard to blockable set ups lol.

 

[Hellbringer]

did u make this thread after i counterpicked with HQT?

 

[thlityoursloat]

What I do hate is the lack of balance between zoners. On one hand, we have characters who live and die by their zoning but can't zone (Balanced Kenshi, Cyber Kano to an extent, maybe Sektor) and on the other.. we have really good zoners who ALSO are capable of rushdown (Kitana, Liu, Piercing Mileena).

Also lol at Sektor being good at zoning.. yeah, guys, an 8% high is god like. "BUH UP MISSILES", they nerfed that to smithereens so you no longer have to give 2 shits about trading with Sektor.

 

[STRYKIE]

What I do hate is the lack of balance between zoners. On one hand, we have characters who live and die by their zoning but can't zone (Balanced Kenshi, Cyber Kano to an extent, maybe Sektor) and on the other.. we have really good zoners who ALSO are capable of rushdown (Kitana, Liu, Piercing Mileena).

Also lol at Sektor being good at zoning.. yeah, guys, an 8% high is god like. "BUH UP MISSILES", they nerfed that to smithereens so you no longer have to give 2 shits about trading with Sektor.

Yeah I guess Bone Shaper Shinnok isn't that good either bro

 

[thlityoursloat]

Yeah I guess Bone Shaper Shinnok isn't that good either bro

Hell sparks... BS is a great zoner not because of his dark beam alone, but because of the combination of Hell sparks and the dark beam.

 

[MrProfDrPepper]

What I do hate is the lack of balance between zoners. On one hand, we have characters who live and die by their zoning but can't zone (Balanced Kenshi, Cyber Kano to an extent, maybe Sektor) and on the other.. we have really good zoners who ALSO are capable of rushdown (Kitana, Liu, Piercing Mileena).

Also lol at Sektor being good at zoning.. yeah, guys, an 8% high is god like. "BUH UP MISSILES", they nerfed that to smithereens so you no longer have to give 2 shits about trading with Sektor.

Up missles and sektors zoning is still deadly, it just doesn't have retarded hit stun so you can go make some coffee then come back and hit confirm a combo. It isn't like sektor was nerfed to the ground. He is still very good and a very solid zoner. It is very possible and likely to zone people out the entire match and win convincingly with sektor.

 

[STRYKIE]

Hell sparks... BS is a great zoner not because of his dark beam alone, but because of the combination of Hell sparks and the dark beam.

And yet you say upmissiles are useless because if they trade with another projectile you can't convert from them meterlessly?

 

[thlityoursloat]

Up missles and sektors zoning is still deadly, it just doesn't have (soap bar in my mouth) hit stun so you can go make some coffee then come back and hit confirm a combo. It isn't like sektor was nerfed to the ground. He is still very good and a very solid zoner. It is very possible and likely to zone people out the entire match and win convincingly with sektor.

But that's what made him so lethal, didn't it? The fact that you HAD to respect the up missile since getting hit meant full combo city.

Also @STRYKIE, sektor can barely convert period, not meterlessly or for 3 bars. I'm not sticking my neck out doing a 54 frame move just so I can have 10%.

 

[Deleted member 9158]

Simple-minded... LOL.

When there are safe 50/50 mix ups and vortexes in this game.

Whoa whoa whoa...I didn't need more salt on my fries there bud

 

[MrProfDrPepper]

But that's what made him so lethal, didn't it? The fact that you HAD to respect the up missile since getting hit meant full combo city.

Also @STRYKIE, sektor can barely convert period, not meterlessly or for 3 bars. I'm not sticking my neck out doing a 54 frame move just so I can have 10%.

Yeah you still have to respect up missle. It makes it hard to get in, if I try and run in you can redirect the missile, you can use it in combination with your other zoning tools, you have a great get off me move, and 10% is actually quite a lot of damage. That is enough to respect it, because losing that 10% could be the difference between winning and losing.

 

[Skedar70]

But this is actually good. Its not that you can't zone, its that you actually have to combine it with some close up game in order to be effective.

 

[STRYKIE]

But that's what made him so lethal, didn't it? The fact that you HAD to respect the up missile since getting hit meant full combo city.

Also @STRYKIE, sektor can barely convert period, not meterlessly or for 3 bars. I'm not sticking my neck out doing a 54 frame move just so I can have 10%.

If that's how you feel then I don't think you actually realize what upmissile is actually for....

 

[XxDark_]

the zoning is fine in this game. also most of the zoning characters still have good options that you need to respect up close so im not seeing the problem here.

 

[Eddy Wang]

This meme will never get old, F23man hahaha

 

[thlityoursloat]

If that's how you feel then I don't think you actually realize what upmissile is actually for....

Feel free to elaborate.

 

[ABACABB]

did u make this thread after i counterpicked with HQT?

No man , I was a bit salty when u did but no It would make no sense cuz hqt is a zoner and im defending zoning here lol

 

[Wetdoba]

It was pretty obvious that zoning wasnt going to be legitmate in this game since day 1. Theres the ability to sprint and cancel that sprint safely into block, half screen advancing normals, or advancing armored launchers, plus backdashes require stamina and scrubs still think its hard to get in in this game lol. I miss Injustice so much, zoning and the neutral game in general was so much better in that game where you actually had to commit to dashes and advancing moves. I remember playing @cR WoundCowboy 's Sinestro as Bane and was blown away by how good his space control was with that character. Every single fearball he threw out had a purpose to it, that dude was literally stuffing my forward dashes on reaction with fear balls 90% of the time, then when I was conditiined to not dash and slow down the pace and start walking he would start charging trait, but it turns out him charging trait was just a bait to get me to dash because then he would punish my dash again by cancelling into fear ball. Shit was too godlike and it made me realize what real zoning was. Zoning in MKX is dumb, you are not a godlike zoner for throwing out a homing combo starting smart disc and randomly going pew pew pew with no recovery lasers but since people dont have to commit to dashes because of the run button thats basically how zoning has to work in MKX. Shit is dumb

 

[wsj515]

honestly in this game you can't be a zoner only with any character. you must combine rushdown footsies and zoning with those characters to prevail.
perfect example is Liu kang, great zoning but, can be broken once timed well. then liu has to utilize his close game rushdown and footsies to get them back out of arms reach.

same goes for Jacqui full auto and many other characters like Tremor, Predator, Quan, Kitana, Kano, Cyrax Sektor and so forth

Tell me one character in one game that does not need to use footsies in zoning.

 

[MadeOfMetal]

Tell me one character in one game that does not need to use footsies in zoning.

you say this as if i stated otherwise?


lolo why is everything an argument?

i guess id go with Noob saibot did pretty well with just projectiles.

 

[Awkward Sloth]

In a thread about zoning characters and zoning and only 1 person mentioned Pyro Tanya as a maybe alright zoning character.

When your character is a zoning variation and loses to zoning and rush down what do you do?

Cry. ;-;

 

[bumpyface]

I think there are several strong zoners in the game, Acidic included. I've had several people online cuss me out and tell me I'm spamming acid. I think u have to have a backup tho even if u have a zoner because u will run n2 patient opponents who will counter your zone. Shit chech out TS Sabin's Dhalsim. He'll bust your ass inside or from the zone. By the way what the hell is spamming?