Who would dominate? If Kabal and Kenshi were gone.

[Red Reaper]

Cyrax because literally his only bad matchup is Kabal. Once Kabal is removed, Cyrax will have no bad matchups, and his brokenness will take over. Sonya would be a beast too though, she would only have one bad matchup to Freddy.

Idk why people are saying Kung Lao, by removing Kenshi and Kabal your only removing one of Kung Lao's bad matchups. Kung Lao still loses to Cage Kitana and Cyrax. And can have trouble vs a good Sonya Sektor or Skarlet

Cyrax has trouble with Liu Kang and Kitana too..

 

[ShadowBeatz]

Why is Sektor even an option? This character is overrated to the core.

pimpimjim

SICK 'EM!!

 

[RYX]

Why is Sektor even an option? This character is overrated to the core.

You might as well main Reptile if you're going to downplay this hard.

 

[Axel_Redd]

i daresay reptile is more viable than smoke o-o

 

[K7L33THA]

 

[RiBBz22]

How is Smoke not even a choice here?

 

[RYX]

How is Smoke not even a choice here?

Now you guys stop downplaying.

That aside, doesn't he have a few 3-7s outside of these two?

 

[RiBBz22]

stacked in his favor?

Since when did Jax, Skarlet, Kabal, Kenshi, Reptile become good MUs for Smoke?

I don't think he really meant stacked, like all he was fighting were great MU's. I think he was probably more-so meaning he didn't have to go through a sea of Kabal's Sonya's and Lao's. The only one that is terrible there is Kabal. The others are 5-5's or 4-6 at worst (Jax, maybe Skarlet)

 

[RiBBz22]

Now you guys stop downplaying.

That aside, doesn't he have a few 3-7s outside of these two?

Don't be a dummy I have never changed my tune in 2 the years after MLG Columbus when I came to realize Smoke's bad MU's. If freaking Liu Kang is a choice and Smoke is top ten at least put him in the flipping poll...

 

[RiBBz22]

Now you guys stop downplaying.

That aside, doesn't he have a few 3-7s outside of these two?

IMO, Kabal, Sonya, and Lao are 3-7. Kenshi is 5-5 Just getting rid of Kabal would help a ton as that is his worst MU (again IMO)

 

[Macdaddy]

why is smoke not on that list

 

[ChrisJG]

why is smoke not on that list

Because he still has multiple bad matchups outside of them 2

 

[Seven]

why is smoke not on that list

Cause Kung Lao, Cage and Sonya rape him.

 

[Red Reaper]

Cause Kung Lao, Cage and Sonya rape him.

Just Sonya.

 

[Seven]

Just Sonya.

Have you watched PL vs Wafflez, it's like 10-1 Lao. Also Wafflez says after Kenshi, Cage is his worst MU (he plays Dizzy).

 

[Peckapowa]

Cage would have:

Freddy (3-7)
Cyrax (4-6)

With a few debatables such as Sub Zero and Sonya

sonya is for sure bad... i think cyrax is 4-6 but debatable and sub could even be a 6-4 (for cage), skarlet and kitana are debatables also.

 

[Peckapowa]

The Sektor MU was considered 5-5 and confirmed by the condiment brothers, after J360s corner tech we can say it's a 6-4 or 5.5-4.5.

Liu Kang MU i use to say 4-6 kang but just out of personal experience,his b3 always interrupted everything i tried to do. But let's say it;s a 5-5

Freddy is 5-5 Cyrax has problems with zoners, that's a well know fact, but once up close Cyrax blows him up free.

Jax is 5-5 and could easily be a 6-4 cyrax

Sonya i have to differ from people who see this even, this is 4.5-5.5 or 4-6 Sonya...

Honestly all those MUs can go either way.

i have to disagree on freddy cyrax... cyrax has no way in... he has nothing in this fight and freddy punishes hard... and he has plenty of options to get out of rax up close...

i also feel that jax outzones cyrax easily and can abuse his hitbox and has an advantage in the footsie game and up close game because cyraxs best counter-poke/pressure escape is a full combo punishable down 1... that has too be 6-4... too me those are much worst than liu or sonya... and what about kitana and skarlet vs cyrax... or even smoke... cyrax also has no good gameplan vs sektor... sektor outzones him, can instant air nets on reaction and out footsies him... could be 6-4 sektor... and even then cyrax raiden is most likely a 5-5 but could be in raidens favor.

 

[Chongo]

Johnny Cage. You're removing his arguable "unwinnable" match ups.

 

[ForeverKing]

i think jax freddy sonya liu kang and sektor beat cyrax

Cyrax infinite Sektor in the corner?

But yeah I don't think anyone beats Cyrax because his 90% combos with one bar, and his ability to steal your meter. So if Cyrax has 2 bars and you have 1 bar of meter and he gets you in a combo, it's game over. Use 1 bar for EX net, and 1 bar to take out 90%. Kabal is the only character in my opinion that shuts down Cyrax's rushdown completely.

And you have to think, Cyrax is never out of the game. Even if you are close to flawlessing Cyrax and you have %100 life and he only has %5 life, you can never count Cyrax out of the game. He always has a chance to win.

 

[ForeverKing]

Yet there's been 86 tourney wins with Lao and 0 for Cyrax.

As far as the character goes, sure Cyrax takes it. When taken out of the theoretical realm, and how it actually plays out, Lao and Sonya.

And what about the Smoke and Raiden MUs? Those are bad MUs for him as well.

Lao hasn't even won that many tournaments dude, what are you talking about? The only big tournaments Kung Lao has EVER won is EVO 2011 and EVO 2012

 

[joemabob]

Lao hasn't even won that many tournaments dude, what are you talking about? The only big tournaments Kung Lao has EVER won is EVO 2011 and EVO 2012

^lolol evo is only tournament that matters

 

[Peckapowa]

Cyrax infinite Sektor in the corner?

But yeah I don't think anyone beats Cyrax because his 90% combos with one bar, and his ability to steal your meter. So if Cyrax has 2 bars and you have 1 bar of meter and he gets you in a combo, it's game over. Use 1 bar for EX net, and 1 bar to take out 90%. Kabal is the only character in my opinion that shuts down Cyrax's rushdown completely.

And you have to think, Cyrax is never out of the game. Even if you are close to flawlessing Cyrax and you have %100 life and he only has %5 life, you can never count Cyrax out of the game. He always has a chance to win.

its a fair argument, still i feel out of those atleast freddy has something of an advantage i swear.

 

[Peckapowa]

Liu Kang would be the kontender with no bad match ups once Kenshi is gone...

freddy, sonya. smoke, noob, sektor

 

[Red Reaper]

freddy, sonya. smoke, noob, sektor

Freddy, I have no idea.

But Sonya, he beats her the same way Kabal does. He kan rush Smoke and Noob.

Sektor, it's a footsies battle. Trust me I know this match up. So Cal has some of the best Liu Kangs around.

 

[Peckapowa]

Freddy, I have no idea.

But Sonya, he beats her the same way Kabal does. He kan rush Smoke and Noob.

Sektor, it's a footsies battle. Trust me I know this match up. So Cal has some of the best Liu Kangs around.

your off, sonya has a much easier time getting in on liu and up close he has serious issues because of his lack of a good down-1 and good armor options, any1 whose zoning isnt broken has a rough time with sonya... sektor is a footsies battle i know that matchup by heart but sektors footsie tools are superior to liu, its close to 5-5 but in sektors favor imo.... liu kangs suspect dash speed makes the smoke matchup suspect and the noob matchup is slightly in noobs favor because his rushdown isnt maintainable as someone like johnnys, it could be a 5-5

kung lao and cage are also suspect 5-5's, along with reptile in my opinion.

freddy kreuger is a horrible matchup 3-7 at best... liu has nothing in this matchup