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Guide - Kenshi ***UPDATED 8-16-16 *** Pig of the Hut's Kenshi MU thread

Belial

Belial

Noob
Lets make this thread great again
As I said before I belive Kenshi doesnt need all that much to be top tier

Universal:
- d4 down to 10 frames
- fixed hitbox issues
- better 3 hitbox (so it wouldnt be high-crushed by dozens of moves)
- safe push across all variations
- less teleflurry recovery on wiff (can only be wiffpunished from 1/2 screen or less) across all variations
- teleflurry safe on block across all variations
- regular parry 5 frames startup
- b1 neutral on block
- d2 down to 6 frames

Balanced:
- ex Rising Karma advantage on block
- ex teleflurry hits mid (also safe or small unsafe -12~-14)

Possessed:
- Better hitbox on low demon (like that of a shotgun jackie, so you can actually hit people jumping)
- Teleport or overhead demon get run cancel

Kenjutsu:
- f2 faster (16 frames)
- db2 -14 and pushes back on block so it cant be punished easily
 
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STB Krizbe

Noob
Pig Of The Hut said:
8-5-16
In conclusion: Kenshi is by far one of the worst designs in history of fighting games especially considering the sum of all parts (characters) around him. It's my feeling and study he is by far one of the worst characters in MKXL and his core problem is his extremely poor design and awful uneventful buffs.

If anyone wants to attempt to change my mind about these MU #s do it with video evidence and not theory crafting. This has been a work in progress for 17 months

I feel Kenshi is between 5th and 4th worst in the game. He's garbage. He's a fair character in a broke game. He's the guy at the bar getting into a fight w a wooden stick vs a bunch of guys w AK47s.

In comparison Sonic fox feels he is 8th worst

List of players who have tried to pick him up, find something good about him but gave up:

Saltface
Sonic
Djt
Scar
Ashenar
Blackula (quit because of Kenshi)
And more

Special note: you know a character is complete shit when not even Forever King will sandbag w him in a pivotal top8 match when he is down 0-2 and you know a character isn't top tier if king (to his credit) looks at a character and never uses him once.

If you main Kenshi then you're playing with a dumpster fire and should not attend tournaments because you'll end up wasting time off work, $400-500 in costs to be pool fodder in the current state of the game

Ways Kenshi can be viable at tournament:
-Madzin awaits an opponent in GF
-Tom awaits an opponent in GF
- a cyrax player has emerged from the ashes and awaits an opponent in GFs
-one of the many top Takeda players awaits you in GF

Only then is picking Kenshi a good idea if you have mastered him. If you have not you will get dedicated on and feel an ounce of my 17 months of pure agony and pain.

MU numbers
However I'm open to these number changing here and there w video evidence but I'm in no way interested how you do vs your training partner in some third world country, small American town, online clan battles, etc. show me best vs the best or don't consider arguing at all. Below is my current living Kenshi MU chart. Look at it while you can and cry if you must. Sorry this character absolutely is garbage.

Kenshi Balanced

Alien:

Acidic 3-7
Tarkatan 4-6
Konjurer 4-6

Leatherface:

Pretty Lady 4-6
Killer 4-6
Butcher 4-6

Jason:

Unstoppable 3-7
Slasher 5-5
Relentless 5-5

Predator:

Warrior 6-4
Hish-Qu-Ten 3-7
Hunter 4-6

Kung Lao:

Hat Trick 6-4
Tempest 5-5
Buzz Saw 5-5

Shinnok:

Necromancer 4-6
Imposter 3-7
Boneshaper 2-8

Jax:

Pumped Up 4-6
Heavy Weapons 4-6
Wresler 4-6

Kano:

Commando 5-5
Cybernatic 4-6
Cutt Throat 3-7

Sonya Blade:

Special Forces 4-6
Covert Ops 4-6
Demolition 3-7

Johnny Cage:

Fistacuffs 5-5
A-List 3-7
Stunt Double 3-7

Kenshi:

Balanced - X
Kenjutsu 4-6
Possessed 5-5

Erron Black:

Marksman 4-6
Gunslinger 4-6
Outlaw 4-6

Kitana:

Mournful 4-6
Royal Storm 5-5
Assassin 5-5

Liu Kang:

Dualist 5-5
Flame Fist 2-8
Dragon Fire 2-8

Scorpion:

Inferno 6-4
Ninjutsu 4-6
Hellfire 3-7

Ermac:

Spectral 4-6
Master of Souls 4-6
Mystic 4-6

Kotal Kahn:

Sun God 5-5
Blood God 4-6
War God 4-6

Sub-Zaro:

Grand Master 6-4
Cyromancer 6-4
Unbreakable 7-3

Reptile:

Noxious 4-6
Deceptive 4-6
Nimble 3-7

Mileena:

Ravenous 4-6
Ethereal 3-7
Piercing 3-7

Ferra-Torr:

Ruthless 4-6
Vicious 4-6
Lackey 4-6

Takeda:

Ronin 5-5
Shirai Ryu 5-5
Lasher 5-5

D'Vorah:

Brood Mother 4-6
Venomous 4-6
Swarm Queen 3-7

Cassie Cage:

Spec Ops 4-6
Hollywood 4-6
Brawler 4-6

Raiden:

Master of Storms 6-4
Displacer 5-5
Thunder God 5-5

Jackie Briggs:

Full-Auto 4-6
Shotgun 3-7
High-Tech 5-5

Quan Chi:

Sorcerer: 3-7
Warlock: 4-6
Summoner: 4-6

Kung Jin:

Bojutsu 5-5
Ancestral 5-5
Shaolin 4-6

Goro:

Tigrar Fury 6-4
Kuaten Warrior 6-4
Dragon Fangs 6-4

Tanya:

Pyromancer 5-5
Dragon Naginata 5-5
Kobu Jutsu 5-5

Tremor:

Crystalline 3-7
AfterShock 4-6
Metallic 5-5

Bo Rai Cho:

Dragon Breath 4-6
Drunken Master 5-5
Bartitsu 4-6

Triborg:

Smoke 4-6
Cyber Sub-Zero 5-5
Sektor 4-6
cyrax: 4-6

Kenshi Matchup chart:

Kenshi Possessed

Alien:

Acidic 3-7
Tarkatan 3-7
Konjurer 4-6

Leatherface:

Pretty Lady 4-6
Killer 4-6
Butcher 5-5

Jason:

Unstoppable 3-7
Slasher 5-5
Relentless 5-5

Predator:

Warrior 6-4
Hish-Qu-Ten 4-6
Hunter 4-6

Kung Lao:

Hat Trick 6-4
Tempest 6-4
Buzz Saw 6-4

Shinnok:

Necromancer 5-5
Imposter 3-7
Boneshaper 3-7

Jax:

Pumped Up 4-6
Heavy Weapons 4-6
Wresler 4-6

Kano:

Commando 6-4
Cybernatic 5-5
Cutt Throat 3-7

Sonya Blade:

Special Forces 5-5
Covert Ops 5-5
Demolition 3-7

Johnny Cage:

Fistacuffs 6-4
A-List 4-6
Stunt Double 3-7

Erron Black:

Marksman 5-5
Gunslinger 5-5
Outlaw 5-5

Kitana:

Mournful 5-5
Royal Storm 4-6
Assassin 4-6

Liu Kang:

Dualist 6-4
Flame Fist 3-7
Dragon Fire 3-7

Scorpion:

Inferno 6-4
Ninjutsu 5-5
Hellfire 4-6

Ermac:

Spectral 4-6
Master of Souls 4-6
Mystic 4-6

Kotal Kahn:

Sun God 5-5
Blood God 4-6
War God 5-5

Sub-Zaro:

Grand Master 6-4
Cyromancer 6-4
Unbreakable 7-3

Reptile:

Noxious 3-7
Deceptive 3-7
Nimble 3-7

Mileena:

Ravenous 4-6
Ethereal 3-7
Piercing 2-8

Ferra-Torr:

Ruthless 4-6
Vicious 4-6
Lackey 4-6

Takeda:

Ronin 5-5
Shirai Ryu 6-4
Lasher 6-4

D'Vorah:

Brood Mother 4-6
Venomous 4-6
Swarm Queen 3-7

Cassie Cage:

Spec Ops 5-5
Hollywood 5-5
Brawler 5-5

Raiden:

Master of Storms 6-4
Displacer 6-4
Thunder God 6-4

Jackie Briggs:

Full-Auto 4-6
Shotgun 4-6
High-Tech 5-5

Quan Chi:

Sorcerer: 5-5
Warlock: 5-5
Summoner: 5-5

Kung Jin:

Bojutsu 4-6
Ancestral 5-5
Shaolin 3-7

Goro:

Tigrar Fury 6-4
Kuaten Warrior 6-4
Dragon Fangs 6-4

Tanya:

Pyromancer 5-5
Dragon Naginata 5-5
Kobu Jutsu 5-5

Tremor:

Crystalline 3-7
AfterShock 4-6
Metallic 5-5

Bo Rai Cho:

Dragon Breath 4-6
Drunken Master 4-6
Bartitsu 4-6

Triborg:

Smoke 4-6
Cyber Sub-Zero 4-6
Sektor 4-6
cyrax: 5-5

Kenshi Kenjutsu

Alien:

Acidic 3-7
Tarkatan 4-6
Konjurer 4-6

Leatherface:

Pretty Lady 5-5
Killer 5-5
Butcher 5-5

Jason:

Unstoppable 3-7
Slasher 6-4
Relentless 5-5

Predator:

Warrior 6-4
Hish-Qu-Ten 4-6
Hunter 5-5

Kung Lao:

Hat Trick 6-4
Tempest 6-4
Buzz Saw 6-4

Shinnok:

Necromancer 4-6
Imposter 3-7
Boneshaper 3-7

Jax:

Pumped Up 4-6
Heavy Weapons 4-6
Wresler 4-6

Kano:

Commando 5-5
Cybernatic 5-5
Cutt Throat 3-7

Sonya Blade:

Special Forces 4-6
Covert Ops 5-5
Demolition 3-7

Johnny Cage:

Fistacuffs 6-4
A-List 4-6
Stunt Double 3-7

Kenshi:

Balanced 4-6
Kenjutsu
Possessed 5-5

Erron Black:

Marksman 5-5
Gunslinger 5-5
Outlaw 5-5

Kitana:

Mournful 5-5
Royal Storm 5-5
Assassin 5-5

Liu Kang:

Dualist 5-5
Flame Fist 3-7
Dragon Fire 3-7

Scorpion:

Inferno 6-4
Ninjutsu 4-6
Hellfire 4-6

Ermac:

Spectral 5-5
Master of Souls 5-5
Mystic 4-6

Kotal Kahn:

Sun God 5-5
Blood God 4-6
War God 5-5

Sub-Zaro:

Grand Master 6-4
Cyromancer 6-4
Unbreakable 7-3

Reptile:

Noxious 4-6
Deceptive 4-6
Nimble 3-7

Mileena:

Ravenous 4-6
Ethereal 3-7
Piercing 3-7

Ferra-Torr:

Ruthless 4-6
Vicious 4-6
Lackey 4-6

Takeda:

Ronin 5-5
Shirai Ryu 5-5
Lasher 6-4

D'Vorah:

Brood Mother 4-6
Venomous 4-6
Swarm Queen 3-7

Cassie Cage:

Spec Ops 5-5
Hollywood 5-5
Brawler 5-5

Raiden:

Master of Storms 6-4
Displacer 5-5
Thunder God 6-4

Jackie Briggs:

Full-Auto 4-6
Shotgun 3-7
High-Tech 5-5

Quan Chi:

Sorcerer: 4-6
Warlock: 5-5
Summoner: 6-4

Kung Jin:

Bojutsu 5-5
Ancestral 5-5
Shaolin 4-6

Goro:

Tigrar Fury 6-4
Kuaten Warrior 6-4
Dragon Fangs 6-4

Tanya:

Pyromancer 5-5
Dragon Naginata 5-5
Kobu Jutsu 5-5

Tremor:

Crystalline 3-7
AfterShock 4-6
Metallic 5-5

Bo Rai Cho:

Dragon Breath 4-6
Drunken Master 5-5
Bartitsu 4-6

Triborg:

Smoke 5-5
Cyber Sub-Zero 5-5
Sektor 5-5
cyrax: 6-4


Conclusion:

Best variation: Kenjutsu

However this question always baffles me. People will ask "pig what's the best variation for kenshi" the answer you see is not so easy. Here's real rap

Kenshi's three variations are like three women at a bar. They want you, they want nothing more than to talk with you and start a relationship with you. You might ask yourself which one is the best. Well here is the issue

Woman 1 has AIDS
Woman 2 has a contagious skin rot
Woman 3 is an active wanted serial killer

There isn't a good answer which to choose, just choose the lesser of three evils.

It's at this point in the post where I say if anyone ever doubts me again three days into a game when I say a character is a dumpster fire, please do not tell me to give it time. I've given 17 months to this vomit and have nothing to show for my efforts because of how crud he is. I rest my case

Enjoy MKXL everybody
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Jacqui*
 
Pig Of The Hut

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
Belial said:
Lets make this thread great again
As I said before I belive Kenshi doesnt need all that much to be top tier

Universal:
- d4 down to 10 frames
- fixed hitbox issues
- better 3 hitbox (so it wouldnt be high-crushed by dozens of moves)
- safe push across all variations
- less teleflurry recovery on wiff (can only be wiffpunished from 1/2 screen or less) across all variations
- teleflurry safe on block across all variations
- regular parry 5 frames startup
- b1 neutral on block
- d2 down to 6 frames


Balanced:
- ex Rising Karma advantage on block
- ex teleflurry hits mid (also safe or small unsafe -12~-14)

Possessed:
- Better hitbox on low demon (like that of a shotgun jackie, so you can actually hit people jumping)
- Teleport or overhead demon get run cancel

Kenjutsu:
- f2 faster (16 frames)
- db2 -14 and pushes back on block so it cant be punished easily
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Universal:
He's given a fucking backdash
D4 8f low profiles likes shinnok (13f now)
Standing 2 is 6f
Big leg f4 is a mid
B1 10f (13f now)
D2 6f

Balanced
B2 OH HKD and is 17 frames 0 on block
Ex push +10
Teleflurry whiff -27
Teleflurry on block all hits come out
Ex teleflurry all hits on block come out
OH slash on hit +10 (currently -1 lol)
Reflect 5f

Kenjutsu
BF3 whiff -27
Ex bf3 given its armor back they took away
Df1 -7 (you know,Like alien)
Db4 -10 (currently -29)
Ex push +10
F2 15f
F2 whiff recovery down to 20 (currently -45)


Possessed
B2 OH HKD and is 17 frames 0 on block
F4 special cancellable now and 17f (27f now)
Ex push +10
Ex rk launches in front of you for combo
Teleport needs to be as fast as shinnok/scorpion
Demons don't disappear on hit
Bf3 doesn't disappear on hit
You No LONGER CAN RUN THRU BF3 mid

Kenshi has now been made great again
 
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ando1184

ando1184

Noob
@Pig Of The Hut and @Belial
Yes a proper backdash would be awesome, but don't ya think a 6f d2 is a little too much? I mean 7f yeh (it's currently 8f now right?), but any faster would very very good. Not saying I myself wouldn't love that but given the lists you provided on top of it just looks (on paper) like people are gonna have their pitchforks ready for kenshi next.....if that all happens. Granted, it's long overdue :p
 
Belial

Belial

Noob
ando1184 said:
@Pig Of The Hut and @Belial
Yes a proper backdash would be awesome, but don't ya think a 6f d2 is a little too much? I mean 7f yeh (it's currently 8f now right?), but any faster would very very good. Not saying I myself wouldn't love that but given the lists you provided on top of it just looks (on paper) like people are gonna have their pitchforks ready for kenshi next.....if that all happens. Granted, it's long overdue :p
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Maybe a little too much but dont let small things like that stand in the way of greatness
 
ismael4790

ismael4790

Stay focused or get Caged
Pig Of The Hut said:
Universal:
He's given a fucking backdash
D4 8f low profiles likes shinnok (13f now)
Standing 2 is 6f
Big leg f4 is a mid
B1 10f (13f now)
D2 6f

Balanced
B2 OH HKD and is 17 frames 0 on block
Ex push +10
Teleflurry whiff -27
Teleflurry on block all hits come out
Ex teleflurry all hits on block come out
OH slash on hit +10 (currently -1 lol)
Reflect 5f

Kenjutsu
BF3 whiff -27
Ex bf3 given its armor back they took away
Df1 -7 (you know,Like alien)
Db4 -10 (currently -29)
Ex push +10
F2 15f
F2 whiff recovery down to 20 (currently -45)


Possessed
B2 OH HKD and is 17 frames 0 on block
F4 special cancellable now and 17f (27f now)
Ex push +10
Ex rk launches in front of you for combo
Teleport needs to be as fast as shinnok/scorpion
Demons don't disappear on hit
Bf3 doesn't disappear on hit
You No LONGER CAN RUN THRU BF3 mid

Kenshi has now been made great again
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Great list! Some additions I would make:

I would give him a 6f d1, as a defensive character. B2 should bring back shades of mk9 one and have a purpose in all three variations.

For Balanced another option would be regular teleflurry on block like it is now, but with the option to meterburn it on whiff ala Jacqui's df2 mb, so the rest of the hits come out. Allows him to make it safe at the cost of a bar, and adds respect to his keepaway.
By the way, Balanced overhead slash turns out to be +1 on hit. It still sucks and it should be more plus as you say, but some people here tried to use that to say I don't know my char and discredit all I had to say, so be careful xD

Kenjutsu needs his exdf1 to be able to recapture airbone opponents. Db1 hitbox changed so it works better to antiair, now it only works vs jumps that start too far.

Possessed should be able to teleport in the air.


Waiting August 23rd for Kenshi resurrection:)
 
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Dankster Morgan

Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
Eldriken said:
OH slash in Balanced being -1 on hit = me mashing the fuck out of d4 when I get hit by it.

That shouldn't be an option after getting hit with something. lol

Fix that shit.
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It's actually around +1 or so I think it was found in that "Save Balanced Kenshi" thread. Which +1 is shit as fuck but yeah just thought I'd put that out there.
 
Lokheit

Lokheit

Noob
Pig Of The Hut said:
Universal:
He's given a fucking backdash
D4 8f low profiles likes shinnok (13f now)
Standing 2 is 6f
Big leg f4 is a mid
B1 10f (13f now)
D2 6f

Balanced
B2 OH HKD and is 17 frames 0 on block
Ex push +10
Teleflurry whiff -27
Teleflurry on block all hits come out
Ex teleflurry all hits on block come out
OH slash on hit +10 (currently -1 lol)
Reflect 5f

Kenjutsu
BF3 whiff -27
Ex bf3 given its armor back they took away
Df1 -7 (you know,Like alien)
Db4 -10 (currently -29)
Ex push +10
F2 15f
F2 whiff recovery down to 20 (currently -45)


Possessed
B2 OH HKD and is 17 frames 0 on block
F4 special cancellable now and 17f (27f now)
Ex push +10
Ex rk launches in front of you for combo
Teleport needs to be as fast as shinnok/scorpion
Demons don't disappear on hit
Bf3 doesn't disappear on hit
You No LONGER CAN RUN THRU BF3 mid

Kenshi has now been made great again
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Just would add to this, higher air time after DB1 in Kenjutsu. Right now it's really tight to connect for a move that unsafe and with such a heavy damage scalling.
 
Cashual

Cashual

PSN: Cansuela
Belial said:
No I don't that's why I said I don't remember. Never intended as a troll post
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Well before you make such a completely inaccurate post where you're literally talking out of your ass, do a bare minimum of looking into it, or just say nothing. Pig was ridiculous in both MK9 and Injustice. Whether you're intending to or not, you just look like someone trying to rain on someone when you hold no info.
 
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