Tim Static said:
Well "ease of use" does factor into the tier list from what I have read on umk.com. Although I never really understood exactly how much that counted as, nor do I think anyone else did.Stone said:Agreed Tim.
If you base the list on player skill. It would be a total mess.
Imagen me as Kabal and lex as Sheeva. Sheeva would be top-tier and almost unbeatable.
I dont get how Kano is ranked as high as he his. He has Cannonballs and sweeps going for him. Many of of his big damage combos are wall assisted. An infinte that is wall wall assited. That only work on some characters.
Campare him to Reptile Ermac and Nightwolf. Who are all very very dangerous. Hes still ranked above them. Id love to see someone defend his palce on the list. And cause I dont get it.
What do you need me for? Hop to it.dubson said:We were working on a team of top players to revise a new tier list, but the site went under and it got ditched. It may have gotten done if that guy who posted above me wasn't so lazy sometimes....
That would be fine, but as long as its known as a Online Tier list and based soley off netplay...dubson said:We were working on a team of top players to revise a new tier list, but the site went under and it got ditched. It may have gotten done if that guy who posted above me wasn't so lazy sometimes....
I don't think so either.black album said:I don't think online and offline should have different versions for a tier list.
I brought this from the "your best char" thread to discuss a little bit for sport. I agree with the points about Cyrax, he can't be the worst given his obvious stats on paper. His throw is arguably the most dangerous in the game, some people need to seriously consider that. It can lead to aapunch, net, and infinite. It can also lead to aalp, hp, run cancel, hp, jk on male ninjas, jax, and larger chars. And if you want to switch back to zoning, go with aapunch, rh.dubson said:Cyrax is definitely not the worst with that infinite Chaos Control discovered. All it takes is getting caught in one net (punisher or not) and either in the corner or pushed to (like Stryker), and the infinite is easy. He has many set-ups with it.
That combined with other 100% combos, he is not the worst in the game. That is all there is to it.
The worst character by himself is Shang Tsung. Obviously because when he morphs, he is no longer Shang Tsung.
I've been saying this for a LONG time.dubson said:Yeah, like Scheisse already mentioned, Stryker is one character who should most definitely be higher.
^^^^If no one can beat you, you'd be the best in the world, making you a #10 - the player everyone models themselves after. Don't be modest, I've heard about you from American players, Hanzo.
I moved this into tier list discussion.^^^^If no one can beat you, you'd be the best in the world, making you a #10 - the player everyone models themselves after. Don't be modest, I've heard about you from American players, Hanzo.
Aren't Kung Lao and Kano Tournament-worthy also? I would assume Ermac as well since he can be played the same way as H. Smoke w/ the 2-mistake rule, only he requires a bit more skill, as I agree his combos ARE much more difficult to hit. I know I'm not really anyone special, but w/ the exception of combo-difficulty, and OTG-free hits what makes H. Smoke so much better than Ermac? Ermac has much better punishers, right? Or is it just because H. Smoke averages more wins in a series to 10 and nothing more?
EDIT: sorry, this post probably should have gone in the tier list discussion.
][/QUOTE]I moved this into tier list discussion.
Il try to anwser your questions. Kung Lao is definitely a tournament worthy character. Summoning will drive you crazy with his MK2 style keep away and safe dive kick shenanigans.
Kano is high tier also. While we dont see alot of him at tournaments I think its because Kano can be hard to play at really high levels.
I'm not sure which part of reality hit me harder, the air throw or the faster walking speed, but you can almost see my cerebral palsy the way I just question those facts I already knew (-_-)Human Smoke and Ermac do play somewhat similar but they do have some differences and I think Human Smoke is unquestionably better for a few reasons:
]1. Human Smoke has an air throw. Its only one move but I think it makes a dramatic difference. The air throw is rape. Once I learned how to abuse it I could totally neutralize Summonings Kung Lao almost with that move alone.
Summoning is a much better player than I am. I could not beat his Kung Lao with any other character but H.Smoke. Thats how good the air throw is.
][/QUOTE]2. Faster walking speed. Again it seems like a small thing but its really not. H.Smokes juggles are much easier than Ermacs because he can walk so much faster. Also its easier to move in and out of range of your opponents pokes to bait out a punishable move because he can move faster,
][/QUOTE]3. Combos. I think they are pretty even here. Human Smoke may edge out a little bit because of his versatility. H.Smoke can break 50% anywhere, anytime, whether off his 2 hit popup or a naked spear or a punish.
][/QUOTE]In the corner however Ermac is pure rape. Dont stand in the corner and get caught by a naked TKS from Ermac. I learned this the hard way at Road to Evo when I was this close to putting Shock into losers. One naked TKS from his Ermac changed everything. He took my whole life bar and all I could do was watch helplessly. I went in the corner and sobbed like a little girl. lol