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This Is A Hunt I've Longed For: Cheetah General Discussion

SaucyD0ge

Worst european batman
Anybody who says Cheetah is brain dead or easy doesn't play her. Her neutral is very hard.

If she is jumping on you free that's on you or you play ivy.
Now that I think about it, Ivy must be getting wrecked by command jumpers like Cheetah and Grodd.

#midtiermeta
 

bishbash

Magic as easy as 1 2 standing3
Anybody who says Cheetah is brain dead or easy doesn't play her. Her neutral is very hard.

If she is jumping on you free that's on you or you play ivy.
I genuinely feel like she’s one of a handful of characters where you actually have to outplay your opponent to win
 
You can see those coming from a mile away the startups are super long and all you have to do is jump. I think cyborg has the best zoning vs cheetah tbh. Mainly because he can direct his and iafb to cover ground and jumps
I will not stand by and hear bs cuz they got whooped by cheetah. It's pathetic. No win button.
 

JesterSMX

It's too laggy to poke...
You can see those coming from a mile away the startups are super long and all you have to do is jump. I think cyborg has the best zoning vs cheetah tbh. Mainly because he can direct his and iafb to cover ground and jumps
Once you're in its pretty easy to keep your turn. End combo in dbf1... fwd dash... mix... repeat. Getting in does take work though.
 

Error

DF2+R2
I used to mainly use meter for mbf3 oki but delayed wakeup beats it and you waste meter. Cheetah can beat almost every wakeup without meter (sg, red hood and bane I don't have an answer for... yet) I still use mbf3 like its cool but not as much for oki as I used to. If you can beat wakeup meterlessly... you're in good shape.
If it's any advantage knockdown, I'm pretty sure all of Red Hood's wake-ups can be stuffed, especially wake up lunge because it has no invincibility.
 
Anyone got any tips vs black canary and robin. I think those are my most difficult matches. Seems like canary can just flip all over the place.

The setup i posted about CC wakeup stuffing seems to work vs black canary and her back hand spring, backdash and soaring knee wakeup. But is there a timing to catch her front handspring that goes right through cheetahs meatys? I know sometimes i can just dbf1 command grab her but other times i cant

Vs really good robins i just get locked down by his range and pressure. Only thing getting me a few Ws is going full screen mid lunging or close and b3 on landing to catch them doing a 212 string. Other than that his jump normals kill her mobility and then once u get in closer range he just dominates and out pokes u with a 6frame d1
 

SaucyD0ge

Worst european batman
Anyone got any tips vs black canary and robin. I think those are my most difficult matches. Seems like canary can just flip all over the place.

The setup i posted about CC wakeup stuffing seems to work vs black canary and her back hand spring, backdash and soaring knee wakeup. But is there a timing to catch her front handspring that goes right through cheetahs meatys? I know sometimes i can just dbf1 command grab her but other times i cant

Vs really good robins i just get locked down by his range and pressure. Only thing getting me a few Ws is going full screen mid lunging or close and b3 on landing to catch them doing a 212 string. Other than that his jump normals kill her mobility and then once u get in closer range he just dominates and out pokes u with a 6frame d1
Wait, since when is the Batman matchup gone in Cheetah’s favor?

That said Canary has ridiculous 50/50’s with that string, you can even delay it for added frustration.I think you can also make it safe with by burning level 2 canary cry.Even though Cheetah is outmatched 50/50 wise, you should be able to even it out on oki as Canary doesn’t have a true invincible wakeup.

In the Robin match-up, I’d suggest you to be moderately patient.
Robin can generally mess you up if don’t expose his birdarang gimmicks(you can, just gotta have those reactions) and don’t condition him to stop poking with overheads and fast mids.

The biggest mix-up robin has is f2 db3(swoop)/ f2d3.
Default block motion is overhead low because that’s where the money is at and overhead overhead if you smeel the swoop.Mashing players who are willing to do crazy stuff are generally a problem solely due to the random factor, make sure you condition them to stay put by slapping those mashers with a fast start-up bnb.You can choose to play patient until they try anything unsafe or you can outspeed them and get in their head before they get to you.
 

Zionix

AKA Ponkster
Anyone got any tips vs black canary and robin. I think those are my most difficult matches. Seems like canary can just flip all over the place.

The setup i posted about CC wakeup stuffing seems to work vs black canary and her back hand spring, backdash and soaring knee wakeup. But is there a timing to catch her front handspring that goes right through cheetahs meatys? I know sometimes i can just dbf1 command grab her but other times i cant

Vs really good robins i just get locked down by his range and pressure. Only thing getting me a few Ws is going full screen mid lunging or close and b3 on landing to catch them doing a 212 string. Other than that his jump normals kill her mobility and then once u get in closer range he just dominates and out pokes u with a 6frame d1
Canary is a pain, you have to play patient and corner her. Try your best to not get screamed.

Robin does what you described to everyone. Just have to mix him hard when you get the chances and don't fall for too many DPs.
 
Wait, since when is the Batman matchup gone in Cheetah’s favor?

That said Canary has ridiculous 50/50’s with that string, you can even delay it for added frustration.I think you can also make it safe with by burning level 2 canary cry.Even though Cheetah is outmatched 50/50 wise, you should be able to even it out on oki as Canary doesn’t have a true invincible wakeup.

In the Robin match-up, I’d suggest you to be moderately patient.
Robin can generally mess you up if don’t expose his birdarang gimmicks(you can, just gotta have those reactions) and don’t condition him to stop poking with overheads and fast mids.

The biggest mix-up robin has is f2 db3(swoop)/ f2d3.
Default block motion is overhead low because that’s where the money is at and overhead overhead if you smeel the swoop.Mashing players who are willing to do crazy stuff are generally a problem solely due to the random factor, make sure you condition them to stay put by slapping those mashers with a fast start-up bnb.You can choose to play patient until they try anything unsafe or you can outspeed them and get in their head before they get to you.
Batman mu still isnt in her favor lol
 
@RevetLeafing
Can you please explain the black canary mu? I'm not sure if I'm just getting out played or what. I have a friend that plays BC at a really high level and i just cant get through her good antiairs vs cheetah and good buttons/mix
 

RevetLeafing

Tanya, Tanqui, and Kaprisun Specialist
@RevetLeafing
Can you please explain the black canary mu? I'm not sure if I'm just getting out played or what. I have a friend that plays BC at a really high level and i just cant get through her good antiairs vs cheetah and good buttons/mix
Cheetah beats Canary imo,i'd put it at 6-4 Cheethah they both want to be up close, however, when Canary has trait I usually, I always make her waste it by faking a pounce. After that's gone, you can make your way in. I suck at explaining mu's lol, but i'm good at showing them tbh
 
Cheetah beats Canary imo,i'd put it at 6-4 Cheethah they both want to be up close, however, when Canary has trait I usually, I always make her waste it by faking a pounce. After that's gone, you can make your way in. I suck at explaining mu's lol, but i'm good at showing them tbh
You have any footage? The guy i play continues to pressure by doing her 50/50 string front hand spring and jumping/crossing up Man it is soooo annoying trying to read it and react or punish accordingly
 

RevetLeafing

Tanya, Tanqui, and Kaprisun Specialist
You have any footage? The guy i play continues to pressure by doing her 50/50 string front hand spring and jumping/crossing up Man it is soooo annoying trying to read it and react or punish accordingly
Not of me fighting a Cnary no
 
Not of me fighting a Cnary no
Ok cool thanks for your input though, maybe I'll post some of my footage from a set and u guys can help me decipher wth is going on lol especially since its supposed to be a winning or even mu for cheetah. Not sure if yall have played a BC like the guy im talking about lol. Hes hella good
 
Question guys have any of you ever fought someone that after every jump in attack you do they are able to throw u? Before you can press a 332 or 223?
 

SaucyD0ge

Worst european batman
Question guys have any of you ever fought someone that after every jump in attack you do they are able to throw u? Before you can press a 332 or 223?
You got thrown after your jump-in attack?
In theory, if you are not plus enough after your jump-in normal nothing will jail.If you already commited to a barely plus jump in and press a slow button, you might get thrown; seems natural.