NickDaGreek1983
Oh, my days !
You're right! Let's turn those 9frame mids into cancelable 8frame low/overheads then!
I never thought about KBs costing meter to be honest.
Exactly . since KB are not going anywhere at least lets make them harder to use . i hate kb so much lol
what ?!!
That's not a counterargument. So based on your logic no one should be complaining about anything because there will be always other things to complain about. Two wrongs make a right, or more like many wrongs. Let's revert the patch then as well.
Thats deep
Yeah, I don't think Cassie's ought to be turned into a high either. But as a general rule of thumb, fast mids should not advance. MKX Raiden's B1 was an 8 frame mid that did not advance at all and wife on some crouching females.
Thanks, I tried.
This is true, but it has pretty good range. Certainly enough to blow up counter-pokes.
Kabal should be the standard to which characters should be balanced around - he is obviously strong in certain areas, not so strong in other areas and can be beaten by playing smart. And he has the right kind of 9-frame mid: the kind with really short range that doesn't serve as the starter to his primary offensive string.
I've been playing MK since I was 7, and I'll be 31 next week. MK9 was my first fighter that I wanted to learn frame data for.
You can punish her cancels since she's open while doing them. Just read the cancel and punish. Jacqui literally was made to play up close. She was designed to rush down in that variation. She has no projectile and no real distance game whatsoever. Try playing Jacqui against Kang, Skarlet, or Cetrion. A good Jacqui takes time to develop. She is somewhat execution heavy when played at a high level.
Also you can't hitconfirm the staggers, which means you have to weigh when to risk a stagger vs. just f31 or completing the full string.
It's online where I find it difficult to get my turn back as Jade. In the lab I can d1 b3bf2 the fuck out of her every single time. Online, not so much.
That is not true. Her cancels and staggers are both -2 from her mid so no matter what you do you can never punish her unless she commits to do something after, and in case she decides to simply poke instead of going for something else all you can do is poke back to get your turn, but never really punish her.
I regularly punish dash punch. It's 'safe' only if you never duck it, and if you do just block it because you're in b2 range, it's now your turn. And comparing to cage's variable-blockstun f3 is pretty silly.
What about risk reward tho? Isn’t she the rushdown beast of the game? A fast far reaching move that gets her in and has huge corner carry, when blocked, gives you a pseudo-turn back? (I say pseud bc not everyone is Jacqui with a 9 frame mid and can bypass the mindgame of “do I start my turn now with the risk of getting poked or do I check her with my poke to keep her from stealing my turn?”)
In high level play there are characters who get far more for far less, which is why most of the top players who mained Jacqui have dropped her for other chars. She is very good, but this narrative of "0 effort" that you're trying to push is exactly the opposite of what it takes to reach her potential.
We must be playing different games because I've been poked out of my cancels quite a bit. To beat her, do not let her in. If you are using a rush down character, it boils down to who's rush game is better. In most cases, Jacqui will win that battle, except for Jax. I don't know why, but Jax seems to shut me down when I play as Jacqui. He steals his turn back all day.
Usually I can poke Jacqui players out of their cancels and I find ways to beat them by doing exactly what you're suggesting. I just think that it's messed up that her F3 has so much speed and good range simultaneously - enough to stop many of the characters that are supposed to out-range her with longer-reaching buttons, like Johnny Cage. I know she beats him for other reasons as well, but that's one of the things that I find quite comical.
