Breakthrough THANK YOU, NRS!

[JaredL]

Buff is really noticable on venom cooldown. Dash is helpful.

But its not enough. His impossible match ups are still impossible.

 

[Dayvo]

Have you guys played extensively with patched Bane yet?

I played a lot yesterday. A lot good sensations, Bane's mobility it's a lot better now, and you can use in a more confident way venom 3.

Still, there are some characters that can give you a pain in the ass, but it's clearly an improvement

 

[iMLGzus]

I'm not going to apologize for what I said. I will, however, apologize for the way I said it.

I've been on these forums since day 1. I know how bad Bane was. I also know that these buffs DID help. I ALSO know that Bane still needs more. But it's going to take time. The way everyone portrays the buffs in a negative light makes people sound ungrateful. If you are happy he got the buffs that's fine, but don't immediately start demanding more when NRS doesn't have to do shit in the first place. They do it because they care about their game. NRS could've sat back and laughed as Bane stayed worst character in the game and it would've made no difference to them. They already have our money. The fact that they're taking the time to try and listen to what we say shows that they understand where we're coming from and that certain things do need to be changed.

Don't mistake my previous post for anger or disdain. When players say things like "Glad we got a buff, but to be honest, it's not enough. We need more." The developers may take it as "I'm greedy. Let me zone the rushdowns and rushdown the zoners. Give me all the tools in the world!" A bit hyperbolic but I'm sure you understand where I'm coming from.

TL;DR Try to at least sound more thankful. We all know Bane still needs help, but this was a step in the right direction. Give it time.

 

[big_aug]

If you aren't progressing through all 3 lvls of venom every time you get in to maintain pressure, you're doing it wrong. Bane can not be punished on block for double punch by most characters by the way. And you can't jump out of it.

Command grab and charge do 32% on lvl 3 with MB. Venom uppercut is 28%. We don't need combos or normals. If you land one special at level 3, it has basically payed for itself. The cool down and new DMG numbers are too good not to be abusing it.

 

[chief713]

I dunno. It doesn't feel like he got buffed to stupidity; but I think if you were doing decent with Bane before the patch, then you should be doing really well now. Getting lamed out by venom debuff and opponents getting away nearly for free with backdashes didn't happen to me nearly as much when I played last night. Those, aside from good zoning, were the things I had a lot of trouble with. Now they aren't nearly as much a problem and it's resulting in more wins.

 

[PND_Mustard]

I'm not going to apologize for what I said. I will, however, apologize for the way I said it.

I've been on these forums since day 1. I know how bad Bane was. I also know that these buffs DID help. I ALSO know that Bane still needs more. But it's going to take time. The way everyone portrays the buffs in a negative light makes people sound ungrateful. If you are happy he got the buffs that's fine, but don't immediately start demanding more when NRS doesn't have to do shit in the first place. They do it because they care about their game. NRS could've sat back and laughed as Bane stayed worst character in the game and it would've made no difference to them. They already have our money. The fact that they're taking the time to try and listen to what we say shows that they understand where we're coming from and that certain things do need to be changed.

Don't mistake my previous post for anger or disdain. When players say things like "Glad we got a buff, but to be honest, it's not enough. We need more." The developers may take it as "I'm greedy. Let me zone the rushdowns and rushdown the zoners. Give me all the tools in the world!" A bit hyperbolic but I'm sure you understand where I'm coming from.

TL;DR Try to at least sound more thankful. We all know Bane still needs help, but this was a step in the right direction. Give it time.

i really wish sometimes that people would actually read the things i say on here properly. i am one of those people who claimed Bane's buffs weren't really enough to fix his problems. but i have NEVER said i wanted more tools, i have only ever said i want his current tools to make sense.

 

[SUPARNOVAX]

My point is Bane wasn't given the right buffs he needs. Nrs basically just threw table scraps at us and it's nothing to really praise them for.

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[Dayvo]

I'm not going to apologize for what I said. I will, however, apologize for the way I said it.

I've been on these forums since day 1. I know how bad Bane was. I also know that these buffs DID help. I ALSO know that Bane still needs more. But it's going to take time. The way everyone portrays the buffs in a negative light makes people sound ungrateful. If you are happy he got the buffs that's fine, but don't immediately start demanding more when NRS doesn't have to do shit in the first place. They do it because they care about their game. NRS could've sat back and laughed as Bane stayed worst character in the game and it would've made no difference to them. They already have our money. The fact that they're taking the time to try and listen to what we say shows that they understand where we're coming from and that certain things do need to be changed.

Don't mistake my previous post for anger or disdain. When players say things like "Glad we got a buff, but to be honest, it's not enough. We need more." The developers may take it as "I'm greedy. Let me zone the rushdowns and rushdown the zoners. Give me all the tools in the world!" A bit hyperbolic but I'm sure you understand where I'm coming from.

TL;DR Try to at least sound more thankful. We all know Bane still needs help, but this was a step in the right direction. Give it time.

Correct.

I'm happy with the buffs. I have much to test to get the best of the character with this new buffs. I think that it's not finished, but it never will be finished. A fighting game it's always changing. SF4 it's 5 years old now and it's still getting changes trying to improve the gameplay.

If they do a lot changes, then maybe we should see a SF3:2º Impact-3º strike Sean. A character that is S/A tier, goes to bottom tier. The changes have to take place slowly.

I like Bane. I will main him in any circunstance. If he is the best or the worst character doesn't matter, but of course I want to see him better than how he is now. I(And I think nobody with brains) don't want my character being S tier, and the rest of the cast D tier. We want all A tier. We want a balanced cast, and the steps are in the correct direction

 

[PoweredbyProtein]

I can now finally pick up Bane. To you guys that think 1-3 second differences on Venom doesn't make a difference...you will see. That coupled with a faster dash? He is about to wreck shit. He will be a tournaments wreckoning. lol

You pick up this Bane but you say the current Deathstroke is unviable? You've really made me laugh today.

 

[TotteryManx]

You pick up this Bane but you say the current Deathstroke is unviable? You've really made me laugh today.

Sadly, I made this post before I actually picked Bane after the patch. He is not viable.

 

[chief713]

My point is Bane wasn't given the right buffs he needs. Nrs basically just threw table scraps at us and it's nothing to really praise them for.

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I disagree with that. The stuff he got isn't everything he needs, but he was certainly lacking a good forward dash and I shouldn't even have to mention how problematic the venom debuff was. It's not table scraps. You know what table scraps is? Capcom giving a knockdown property to Zangief's fierce punch, which is one of the slowest, most unsafe normals in the game.

But I still think the game is too young for major changes like we're suggesting. NRS is doing it right; a little at a time. Give the new changes at least a week or so before you declare them useless.

 

[AA25Mamba]

I'm playing now. I haven't seen any drop in the Body Press setups. If anything it helps me get to them faster in order to input the commands faster.

 

[big_aug]

SUPARNOVAX

I don't think you have a fucking clue to be honest. Trying to argue that a faster dash is bad because you lost grab setups? What grab are you losing because you are moving faster?

How can any Bane player be unhappy with this patch? Lol

 

[SUPARNOVAX]

I disagree with that. The stuff he got isn't everything he needs, but he was certainly lacking a good forward dash and I shouldn't even have to mention how problematic the venom debuff was. It's not table scraps. You know what table scraps is? Capcom giving a knockdown property to Zangief's fierce punch, which is one of the slowest, most unsafe normals in the game.

But I still think the game is too young for major changes like we're suggesting. NRS is doing it right; a little at a time. Give the new changes at least a week or so before you declare them useless.

His fwd dash was already good; It's better now indefinitely.

Nrs doesn't know how to properly balance their games and neither does Capcom so that point is moot.

I don't believe this game really needs to pan out as long as you're making it to be in order to start making smarter balance changes. There's an immediate impression everyone will get with characters in here and Bane's overall impression isn't really good once you start fighting more experienced players.

How many characters have debuffs it negative effects after using their traits?

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[AA25Mamba]

We don't give a damn about impressions.

 

[SUPARNOVAX]

SUPARNOVAX

I don't think you have a fucking clue to be honest. Trying to argue that a faster dash is bad because you lost grab setups? What grab are you losing because you are moving faster?

How can any Bane player be unhappy with this patch? Lol

I never said the dash change was bad at all. Nrs is doing random stuff and calling it a day.

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[big_aug]

I never said the dash change was bad at all. Nrs is doing random stuff and calling it a day.

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Yea, you did actually. You edited it out of your post or deleted it though because you saw I didn't quote you. lol

How is it random? His biggest problem is getting in on zoners, so they gave him a faster dash. His trait was definitely messed up, so they fixed it.

 

[chief713]

I dunno man; I think you're grasping a bit. The complaint was that Bane couldn't block and dash through a few chars projectiles because his dash was too slow. The dash buff is a direct response to that. The complaint was that the damage he did with venom wasn't worth it because the debuff made Bane ineffective for too long. The cooldown time and damage reduction is a direct response to that. There's nothing random about these changes. Bane needed them. I don't understand how you think they're random and unintelligent.

Also, keep in mind that nerfs to other characters are essentially Bane buffs, so giving him even more stuff along with the changes to other chars could really fuck things up. And there's no way they had time to test all that in the small time frame, so it seems like they gave him the safest buffs possible that were relevant to his needs. And I think it's working out ok, right now.

 

[Dayvo]

The changes until now make me happy, if I have to ask for mor, i whould request 2 hits of armor in lvl 2 Venom and giving f2 armor in lvl 1 and 2(just like lvl 3) whould be just perfect

 

[big_aug]

I think they gave him the best possible buffs they could. As has already been pointed out, taking away the debuffs on his trait completely can't be done without completely changing it.

The only other thing I'd want is a modified charge. A cancel, parry immune, something. I only say parry immune because you can't even trade charge with Batarang against Batman. He has time to freaking parry lol

 

[shaowebb]

I think the Reo top tier list is downplaying this guy. His mobility is way to good now to be bottom tier. He can stay safe a lot easier now during his debuff period.

 

[AA25Mamba]

Bane gets no respect. Even after breaking the back of DC's most iconic superhero. SMH.

But seriously, downplaying these buffs is a no-no. They are of tremendous help.

 

[LEGI0N47]

I think the Reo top tier list is downplaying this guy. His mobility is way to good now to be bottom tier. He can stay safe a lot easier now during his debuff period.

I've been thinking the very same thing. Guess time will tell.

 

[LEGI0N47]

Bane gets no respect. Even after breaking the back of DC's most iconic superhero. SMH.

But seriously, downplaying these buffs is a no-no. They are of tremendous help.

Everytime I see this mentioned I imagine how much Doomsday mains would moan if the two where switched around. "I mean come on!, he's killed Superman and he sucks."

 

[chief713]

I think the Reo top tier list is downplaying this guy. His mobility is way to good now to be bottom tier. He can stay safe a lot easier now during his debuff period.

I don't know about that. I still don't think he's a great character, but now having to work harder and be more initiated as far as matchups results in more wins now than salt.