Tekken 7 General Discussion Thread - OP Updated With All Tekken Info

[exflyingbooty]

I find it weird that Paul's grappling game isn't mentioned in this guide. It's a cut above most of the cast's, no? He's got 4 wallsplatting throws (DF 1+3 : QCF 2, FF 1+2, B 1+4, 2+3 B) along with his ultimate tackle mixups that I saw AK utilise against Saint at KotIF 2016).

because throws are shit in t7

Zafina doesn't count? She is fairly complex, yes she's no Lei but she's not a pick up and play either.Granted it seems they want to avoid these kind of characters seeing as both her and Lei are missing atm, and the fact that all the new characters are all pretty straight forward.

Zafs combos are actually some of the easiest in the game actually

 

[Kooron Nation]

Tekken hasn't made an advanced difficulty character since Tekken 4, and almost every new character since Tekken 5 DR is easy to use. The proof is in the pudding as they say.

So that link is false in saying Nina is the hardest character in the game to use? I really wanted to main her but if she's really that difficult and I'm only new then there's no point, I might just stick to Dragunov and King

 

[Gurpwnder]

because throws are shit in t7

Eh. In a game where grab mechanics were nerfed across the board, it's quite the advantage to retain throws that force 1 breaks, 2 breaks or 1+2 breaks AND have a wallsplatting throw (or two) for each, yeah?

 

[Gurpwnder]

So that link is false in saying Nina is the hardest character in the game to use? I really wanted to main her but if she's really that difficult and I'm only new then there's no point, I might just stick to Dragunov and King

Nina's been in Tekken since the very beginning and has appeared in every game. From what I've heard, her midscreen BnB's with multiple WR1's can be very difficult to perform, though they are very rewarding.

 

[SaltShaker]

So that link is false in saying Nina is the hardest character in the game to use? I really wanted to main her but if she's really that difficult and I'm only new then there's no point, I might just stick to Dragunov and King

Nina is an OG Tekken 1 character, but yes, she is one of the hardest to use due to execution requirements and complete knowledge of the characters toolset. She is also a perennial high tier in most Tekken games. If you really plan on going all in then give her a go and worst case scenario you could always switch out. Drag/King would be considerably easier to play though.

 

[TrulyAmiracle]

Zafs combos are actually some of the easiest in the game actually

Well I wasn't talking combos but overall complexity as a character, but even for combos I don't really see it, considering that you have to know what move goes to what stance and know what to follow with after which a lot of characters don't have to do. Like difficulty wise she'll be right under Mishimas EWGF, Steve, Hwoa, Lei, Nina WR1 loops and Lee b2~ loops.

I would have counted Zafina, but the signs are pointing towards her being excluded from Tekken 7, which furthers my point lol. Zafina is the only character since DR that was an advanced design, yet also the only character released since then who isn't on the roster.

Your dead on about the new Tekken 7 characters too. Josie has some parts of learning curve in her, but all the other new characters are very easy to play, super easy when compared to some of the older characters.

Wow I didn't realize till your comment that after they added Miguel and Master Raven the only new character from post Tekken 5 that's not it in T7 is Zafina... I'm officially rustled.

I got Lee now so I at least have 1 of my mains but I better get Anna if they won't bring in Zafina at all smh.

 

[Pterodactyl]

Harada said he wouldn't be selling classic characters as DLC, so i assume anyone that came in TTT2 will be in the game without needing the season pass.

The only char we know for sure is a paid DLC at this point if you don't pre-order her now is Eliza, and she is not a classic Tekken character.

My friend Ivo has a theory, if Eliza is the least most wanted character to return and its on the game, this pretty much confirm everyone else like Julia, Lei, Kuni, etc etc.

I honestly want this theory to be true, if classics are not DLCs as Harada says they won't be, there is a higher chance that the DLC characters coming are:

a) brand new characters
b) Guests from other games

And i want it to be B, because i've always imagined Akira going on a brawl in the Tekken Universe.

I wouldn't expect the entire roster of TTT2

I would just expect anyone who isn't a clone/semi-clone and hasn't been replaced.

I get the feeling we might get at least one more replacement. I wonder for who though.

Also was there a poll or something? Where did you get this notion that Eliza was the least wanted ?

If anything people wanted her in, in some form, because grinding for her in Revolution just to try her out was a hassle.

 

[exflyingbooty]

Well I wasn't talking combos but overall complexity as a character, but even for combos I don't really see it, considering that you have to know what move goes to what stance and know what to follow with after which a lot of characters don't have to do. Like difficulty wise she'll be right under Mishimas EWGF, Steve, Hwoa, Lei, Nina WR1 loops and Lee b2~ loops./QUOTE]

The only thing really hard with zaf is any combos that use tarantula stance as a launcher

 

[Kooron Nation]

Nina is an OG Tekken 1 character, but yes, she is one of the hardest to use due to execution requirements and complete knowledge of the characters toolset. She is also a perennial high tier in most Tekken games. If you really plan on going all in then give her a go and worst case scenario you could always switch out. Drag/King would be considerably easier to play though.

What makes her so difficult tho compared to the likes of Mishimas or Steve Fox, who I've heard is another difficult character to learn?
She's a blonde Russian assassin and that's all I could dream of in a woman lol so she is by default a favourite of mine.

 

[exflyingbooty]

What makes her so difficult tho compared to the likes of Mishimas or Steve Fox, who I've heard is another difficult character to learn?
She's a blonde Russian assassin and that's all I could dream of in a woman lol so she is by default a favourite of mine.

ss1 cancels, ws1 loops and overall her gameplan is more difficult due to her lack of ranged tools. Also i'm really happy they removed her glitched string 4,d+3,4,3 in t7

 

[Kooron Nation]

@exflyingbooty judging from your avatar I'm guessing you play Nina? Do you have any/know of any good player videos to watch? I think I'm gonna dedicate my self to the cause lol.
Also not a big fan of the whole wedding dress outfit, what was wrong with her assassin gear?

 

[TarkatanDentist]

What makes her so difficult tho compared to the likes of Mishimas or Steve Fox, who I've heard is another difficult character to learn?
She's a blonde Russian assassin and that's all I could dream of in a woman lol so she is by default a favourite of mine.

She's Irish (though admittedly she doesn't have the accent!) - not sure where you got Russian from lol.

I'm genuinely a bit worried about how out of practice I'll be when Tekken 7 eventually hits consoles though. Thanks to there being no Tekken game on PS4 as of yet I've literally not played a Tekken game since early 2014. It'll be an interesting challenge I guess...

 

[Kooron Nation]

She's Irish (though admittedly she doesn't have the accent!) - not sure where you got Russian from lol.

I'm genuinely a bit worried about how out of practice I'll be when Tekken 7 eventually hits consoles though. Thanks to there being no Tekken game on PS4 as of yet I've literally not played a Tekken game since early 2014. It'll be an interesting challenge I guess...

I know I just want to play any Tekken I can to practice, but my PS3 broke so that's a no go
You'd think for sure they would've had a PS4 version of TTT2.

Lol I was just of the assumption her and Anna were Russian Spies? The only Russian in the game is Dragunov right?

 

[youthinkyoubadyouaintbad]

She's Irish (though admittedly she doesn't have the accent!) - not sure where you got Russian from lol.

I'm genuinely a bit worried about how out of practice I'll be when Tekken 7 eventually hits consoles though. Thanks to there being no Tekken game on PS4 as of yet I've literally not played a Tekken game since early 2014. It'll be an interesting challenge I guess...

Not really

 

[TrulyAmiracle]

I know I just want to play any Tekken I can to practice, but my PS3 broke so that's a no go
You'd think for sure they would've had a PS4 version of TTT2.

Lol I was just of the assumption her and Anna were Russian Spies? The only Russian in the game is Dragunov right?

And Alisa (and Dr.B but he's not in T7).

 

[Gurpwnder]

Could somebody please describe the major differences between Feng Wei and Jack? Both seem like excellent turtle style characters with solid pokes, but I'd like to know more about what both characters offer. All I know is that Feng is a lot more evasive while Jack seems to be a much more traditional turtle.

Thanks.

 

[exflyingbooty]

@exflyingbooty judging from your avatar I'm guessing you play Nina? Do you have any/know of any good player videos to watch? I think I'm gonna dedicate my self to the cause lol.
Also not a big fan of the whole wedding dress outfit, what was wrong with her assassin gear?

Dixion, Naengmyun,Lowhigh, Only practice,

 

[Eddy Wang]

I wouldn't expect the entire roster of TTT2

I would just expect anyone who isn't a clone/semi-clone and hasn't been replaced.

I get the feeling we might get at least one more replacement. I wonder for who though.

Also was there a poll or something? Where did you get this notion that Eliza was the least wanted ?

If anything people wanted her in, in some form, because grinding for her in Revolution just to try her out was a hassle.

no one is expecting the entire roster including the clones.

Which is why i said, anyone who is cannon in Tekken without being Tag has a chance to be in T7 again, and the only two characters who are no cannon and got completely redesigned and are no longer semi clones are Jun and Kuni, and those two are expected to return.

At this point for me having Kunimitsu in the roster will be just the tip of the iceberg, i have Jin, Kazuya, and master raven to explore and i'm really excited about it, Kuni is just a bonus, and Jun would make @DarkSlayerSmith and F0xy happy.

 

[ismael4790]

I haven't played Tekken since long time, and never took the game very seriously.

I was just wondering where my favourite characters, Lee and Law, were in terms of tiers. Can someone tell me that and their main strenghts and weaknesses?

 

[Eddy Wang]

I haven't played Tekken since long time, and never took the game very seriously.

I was just wondering where my favourite characters, Lee and Law, were in terms of tiers. Can someone tell me that and their main strenghts and weaknesses?

Lee will only be available in the console version, the only person that can give an opinion about him in FR are Saint and JDCR mostly, since they had access to the console version of the game a few weeks ago and they played lee to some extent, so nothing much can be said about his position right now.

However Law is super broke, S tier character with little to no weakness, some of the dumbest stuffs namco did was giving him tick throws out of DSS on strings that were unsafe for a reason, now he crush highs into DSS on block or hit.

Massive parrys into DSS that wallsplats

massive corner carry combos with uber damage
A slide that is very dificult to see

s4 launches on CH, and 434 can go into DSS on juggles, has a new screw move with a lot of wall carry.
Fake up flip launcher now has a mixup, he can chose to use ws moves out of the fake flip to keep you guessing

his buttons are too good.

 

[Eddy Wang]

IMO the tier list of FR right now looks like this:

S+:Leo, Ling, Bryan, Dragunov Steve
S-: Howarang, Paul, Feng, Law
S: Heihachi, Devil Jin, Jin/Kazuya (The mishima tier)
A+: King, Kazumi, Master Raven, Akumer, Bob
A: Nina, Asuka, Katarina, Shaheen, Jack, Alisa
B: Yoshi, Claudio, Josie, Lili, Lars, Chloe


What are S+ characters?
IMO, the S+ character are on a tier of their own, super strong and no one can deny it, those characters need a little nerf.

What are S- characyers?
The S minus, are strongers than the S tiers, and sometimes are compared to S+ but currently i don't think they belong on the S+ tier position because these characters are feeling like beatable chars so far, but only super strong

The mishima tier
Somehow, i think all mishimas are on the same tier, they are all very strong, but they are all super beatable as well, with one being slightly better than the other, Heihachi is the strongest Mishima currently, guaranteed df12 if F4 hits crouching characters at the wall, super dumb damage.

Devil Jin is the strongest second mishima, very versatile, mid low super strong mixup game, nasty.

Jin is the jack of all trades master of none, he is a weaker version of devil jin, but he rewards so much for fundamentals right now, its just now that his full potential is binded to character knowledge at its best.

Kazuya is not IMO weaker than Jin, i think both characters are sharing the same position hence why i separated them with a slash rather than a colon.

The mishimas are in bold for a reason, they are all S tiers and they have their weakness, but now they have the Akira's factor from virtua fighter's series, if you lab them constantly and understand the character fully and have a good execution and MU knowledge, their tier will shift according to their position, so Heihachi and Devil Jin at the highest level will become S+, Jin and Kazuya will be remain S or S- at the best.


Anyone on A+ is super solid, they are just as strong as the S but slightly weaker

A is a weaker version of A+ of course but still manageable characters

The b tier are definitly in needs of some buffs, Lars was super stupid in C version, but in the ver (D)ragunov he got hit the fuck out by the nerf hammer.

 

[SaltShaker]

IMO the tier list of FR right now looks like this:

S+:Leo, Ling, Bryan, Dragunov Steve
S-: Howarang, Paul, Feng, Law
S: Heihachi, Devil Jin, Jin/Kazuya (The mishima tier)
A+: King, Kazumi, Master Raven, Akumer, Bob
A: Nina, Asuka, Katarina, Shaheen, Jack, Alisa
B: Yoshi, Claudio, Josie, Lili, Lars, Chloe


What are S+ characters?
IMO, the S+ character are on a tier of their own, super strong and no one can deny it, those characters need a little nerf.

What are S- characyers?
The S minus, are strongers than the S tiers, and sometimes are compared to S+ but currently i don't think they belong on the S+ tier position because these characters are feeling like beatable chars so far, but only super strong

The mishima tier
Somehow, i think all mishimas are on the same tier, they are all very strong, but they are all super beatable as well, with one being slightly better than the other, Heihachi is the strongest Mishima currently, guaranteed df12 if F4 hits crouching characters at the wall, super dumb damage.

Devil Jin is the strongest second mishima, very versatile, mid low super strong mixup game, nasty.

Jin is the jack of all trades master of none, he is a weaker version of devil jin, but he rewards so much for fundamentals right now, its just now that his full potential is binded to character knowledge at its best.

Kazuya is not IMO weaker than Jin, i think both characters are sharing the same position hence why i separated them with a slash rather than a colon.

The mishimas are in bold for a reason, they are all S tiers and they have their weakness, but now they have the Akira's factor from virtua fighter's series, if you lab them constantly and understand the character fully and have a good execution and MU knowledge, their tier will shift according to their position, so Heihachi and Devil Jin at the highest level will become S+, Jin and Kazuya will be remain S or S- at the best.


Anyone on A+ is super solid, they are just as strong as the S but slightly weaker

A is a weaker version of A+ of course but still manageable characters

The b tier are definitly in needs of some buffs, Lars was super stupid in C version, but in the ver (D)ragunov he got hit the fuck out by the nerf hammer.

That's right. I agree with you list because #BuffJosie. Gigas is so garbo that he isn't even on your list lol.

My personal list is as follows-

S: Leo, Ling, Bryan, Devil Jin, Hoawarang
A+: Feng, Law, Dragunov, Steve, Kazuya
A: Heihachi(U), Jin, Paul, Bob
A-: King, Master Raven, Akuma, Shaheen, Nina(D)
B+: Asuka, Jack, Alisa(D), Lili, Josie
B: Yoshi, Claudio, Katarina(U), Kazumi, Lars
C: Chloe, Gigas

(U)= possibly up one. (D) possibly down one.

I think most of the tiers are close to the next one with the exception of B to C, which is why my alphabet is reflective of such. B+ and down begins to require more to win.

 

[Smoke_Of_Finland]

Could somebody please describe the major differences between Feng Wei and Jack? Both seem like excellent turtle style characters with solid pokes, but I'd like to know more about what both characters offer. All I know is that Feng is a lot more evasive while Jack seems to be a much more traditional turtle.

Thanks.

Feng has decent crush and evasive moves and he has access to some parries, feints and gimmicks. Jack's crush moves are garbage, he has no parries or good gimmicks but he has good throws and overall hits harder. Jack's wall game is exceptionally stupid as well were as Feng is just ok in this department.

 

[SaltShaker]

@Smoke_Of_Finland Eddy and I got our tier lists up. We need yours to complete the trifecta!

 

[Kooron Nation]

@SaltShaker @Eddy Wang you have all told me how good Nina is yet you guys put her in B?
Also you said Law is super broken but is struggling to make S tier? Does that mean S tier characters are super super super broken?