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DeftMonk

Warrior
can someone explain to me why Lei can't parry armor king's f21 (the mid) but leroy gets 80 damage free for parrying that whole string? I main Lei but when I get frustrated I play armor kiing and yoshi. Today was my first time playing Leroy as armor king and when I did f21 then ate 80 damage I wanted to alt f4. If he ducked the high and combod me word ok...but why give leroy the ability to parry that but not Lei? wtf namco.
 

NaCl man

Welcome to Akihabara
can someone explain to me why Lei can't parry armor king's f21 (the mid) but leroy gets 80 damage free for parrying that whole string? I main Lei but when I get frustrated I play armor kiing and yoshi. Today was my first time playing Leroy as armor king and when I did f21 then ate 80 damage I wanted to alt f4. If he ducked the high and combod me word ok...but why give leroy the ability to parry that but not Lei? wtf namco.
I legit think Leroy was released like this to take the focus off akuma (who is still dumb after the nerfs)

To give Namco some time to figure what to do with akuma.

Leroy will have to be toned down by the time twt starts but what makes Leroy dumb can be fixed with adjusting his frames while akuma is fundamentally broken.

I think the only way to fix akuma is how every other game he has been in has and lower his health.

He has always been a glass cannon but in this game he is just a cannon lol.
 

DeftMonk

Warrior
I legit think Leroy was released like this to take the focus off akuma (who is still dumb after the nerfs)

To give Namco some time to figure what to do with akuma.

Leroy will have to be toned down by the time twt starts but what makes Leroy dumb can be fixed with adjusting his frames while akuma is fundamentally broken.

I think the only way to fix akuma is how every other game he has been in has and lower his health.

He has always been a glass cannon but in this game he is just a cannon lol.
Some of leroy's problems can be solved with frames for sure like why can he freely sidestep and blow you up after orbital/ that d+2+1 at the right range can be thrown twice since its 0 on block etc. but his parry is real real good. On any other character the ability to parry entire strings into free launcher would define the character imo, but leroy players can get well into red ranks without even acquiring that skill lol. Imo Lei is really strong atm but leroy just makes me salty as fuck. How do you feel kazuya v leroy is?

Your idea about akuma is actually not bad imo... When I play vs him I usually try to get into a certain range and use play dead mixups as much as possible. Reason being if he goes for the low 50/50 I still eat it but, I eat less than normal since lei and eddy take less damage getting combo'd in that position. Effectively just giving me a larger health pool than him. If they don't lower akuma's Hp they should just add some kind of added scaling off fadc.
 

M2Dave

Zoning Master
I legit think Leroy was released like this to take the focus off akuma (who is still dumb after the nerfs)

To give Namco some time to figure what to do with akuma.

Leroy will have to be toned down by the time twt starts but what makes Leroy dumb can be fixed with adjusting his frames while akuma is fundamentally broken.

I think the only way to fix akuma is how every other game he has been in has and lower his health.

He has always been a glass cannon but in this game he is just a cannon lol.
Akuma's power is balanced by one of the most rigorous execution requirements in the game. Both Arslan Ash and Knee tried the character and quit.

Leroy, on the other hand, is balanced by nothing. Not only is he very strong, he is also very easy to use. This design never works in Tekken.

EVO Japan will be very interesting this weekend.
 

DeftMonk

Warrior
Akuma's power is balanced by one of the most rigorous execution requirements in the game. Both Arslan Ash and Knee tried the character and quit.

Leroy, on the other hand, is balanced by nothing. Not only is he very strong, he is also very easy to use. This design never works in Tekken.

EVO Japan will be very interesting this weekend.
Akuma has tight execution but that isn't some excuse to just let him rip your hp pool to shreds given how easy he opens you up. Also if that was how Namco saw balancing, Lee wouldn't have had his output nerfed in season 3. Leroy is dumb as hell tho. When I watch players using leroy land a combo or open someone up I just roll my eyes. It's so boring that it really is bad for the game. It is like watching aquaman or some crap in the same game with kazuya and all these other hype ass characters to watch. Even akuma is more fun to watch by a mile.
 

NaCl man

Welcome to Akihabara
Akuma's power is balanced by one of the most rigorous execution requirements in the game. Both Arslan Ash and Knee tried the character and quit.

Leroy, on the other hand, is balanced by nothing. Not only is he very strong, he is also very easy to use. This design never works in Tekken.

EVO Japan will be very interesting this weekend.
Hope we don't have a mkx Tanya situation with Leroy this weekend. I honestly thought they would have toned him down by now.

No doubt akuma takes great execution but it's not like you see the top players who use him dropping those fadc combos. The Pakistani boys made it look easy.

I think that's how akuma should be and always is but they should follow suit with his HP.
But with the season 3 power creep they wouldn't have to lower it by much.
 

NaCl man

Welcome to Akihabara
Some of leroy's problems can be solved with frames for sure like why can he freely sidestep and blow you up after orbital/ that d+2+1 at the right range can be thrown twice since its 0 on block etc. but his parry is real real good. On any other character the ability to parry entire strings into free launcher would define the character imo, but leroy players can get well into red ranks without even acquiring that skill lol. Imo Lei is really strong atm but leroy just makes me salty as fuck. How do you feel kazuya v leroy is?

Your idea about akuma is actually not bad imo... When I play vs him I usually try to get into a certain range and use play dead mixups as much as possible. Reason being if he goes for the low 50/50 I still eat it but, I eat less than normal since lei and eddy take less damage getting combo'd in that position. Effectively just giving me a larger health pool than him. If they don't lower akuma's Hp they should just add some kind of added scaling off fadc.
From what I have played it's a very momentum based match up but not unwinnable. He just has so much to look out for.in saying that I don't think I have played against a high level Leroy yet just some good players I know playing around with him. Found a couple of funny things. Sugar if sent out at a close enough range Kaz can u,f 4444 over her and hit him lol. But realistically there is no reason to use the dog at all.
 

M2Dave

Zoning Master
These pools have been virtually unwatchable.

Namco ought to be ashamed of themselves.

I guess people enjoyed the game so much that they had to create controversy by releasing Leroy the way he is. LOL.
 

DeftMonk

Warrior
These pools have been virtually unwatchable.

Namco ought to be ashamed of themselves.

I guess people enjoyed the game so much that they had to create controversy by releasing Leroy the way he is. LOL.
This is worse than tekken 6 bob. IMO they need to nerf his frames into the ground save for maybe 1 move and leave his parry game god like. Hed still be good.
 

M2Dave

Zoning Master
The results speak for themselves.

Winners bracket
THY|Chikurin (Leroy) vs. ITO|Mikio (Julia)
Talon|Book (Leroy) vs. Liquid|Gen (Leroy)

Losers bracket
COOASGAMES|Noroma (Leroy) vs. Masa (Leroy)
Zeugal (Leroy) vs. EQNX|Ulsan (Kazumi)
 

NaCl man

Welcome to Akihabara
Top Tanya lol. 6 Leroy in top 8 we up there with Tanya boys. So dumb I won't bother with top 8.

Very disappointing
 

M2Dave

Zoning Master
Top Tanya lol. 6 Leroy in top 8 we up there with Tanya boys. So dumb I won't bother with top 8.

Very disappointing
I have to do some research, but if I recall correctly, even Tekken 4 Jin, who is one of the most broken 3D characters in fighting game history, only had five appearances at EVO.

I am genuinely embarrassed to be a Tekken fan. I cannot conceive what Namco were thinking. This tournament has no merit.

Mortal Kombat 11 continues to remain the most balanced modern fighting game.
 

DeftMonk

Warrior
I have to do some research, but if I recall correctly, even Tekken 4 Jin, who is one of the most broken 3D characters in fighting game history, only had five appearances at EVO.

I am genuinely embarrassed to be a Tekken fan. I cannot conceive what Namco were thinking. This tournament has no merit.

Mortal Kombat 11 continues to remain the most balanced modern fighting game.
It is terrible. Leroy is really far from the point of balance. On top of that he has a Jin parry and a stance that auto parrys lows. I feel even if he had booboo frames the combination of those 2 would still make character loyalist able to do something with it but he has amazing frames/tracking as well. Stupid.

Theres also the point that he does very high damage for 0 execution. Really a stain on tekken 7.
 

NaCl man

Welcome to Akihabara
I have to do some research, but if I recall correctly, even Tekken 4 Jin, who is one of the most broken 3D characters in fighting game history, only had five appearances at EVO.

I am genuinely embarrassed to be a Tekken fan. I cannot conceive what Namco were thinking. This tournament has no merit.

Mortal Kombat 11 continues to remain the most balanced modern fighting game.
Yeah same here and you could tell the commentators were embarrassed as well.

The only thing I can think as to why this happened was they were testing how broken he is before twt.

There will have to be big adjustments incoming after this sad display.
 

xiskza

Underworld
Actually Ulsan also busted out Leroy during the tournament, so there are 7 Leroy players in the top8 haha.

I'm sure this ish will be patched next week
 

M2Dave

Zoning Master
Final results (ignore TYM's automatic numbering).

  1. Talon|Book (Leroy)
  2. ITO|Mikio (Julia)
  3. COOASGAMES|Noroma (Leroy, Steve)
  4. EQNX|Ulsan (Kazumi, Bob, Leroy)
  5. Liquid|Gen (Leroy, Shaheen)
  6. THY|Chikurin (Leroy)
  7. Masa (Leroy)
  8. Zeugal (Leroy)
 

DragonofDadashov24

Let’s see whose fire burns hotter
I have to do some research, but if I recall correctly, even Tekken 4 Jin, who is one of the most broken 3D characters in fighting game history, only had five appearances at EVO.

I am genuinely embarrassed to be a Tekken fan. I cannot conceive what Namco were thinking. This tournament has no merit.

Mortal Kombat 11 continues to remain the most balanced modern fighting game.
You gotta be crazy to call MK11 the most balnced game.
 

NaCl man

Welcome to Akihabara
Final results (ignore TYM's automatic numbering).

  1. Talon|Book (Leroy)
  2. ITO|Mikio (Julia)
  3. COOASGAMES|Noroma (Leroy, Steve)
  4. EQNX|Ulsan (Kazumi, Bob, Leroy)
  5. Liquid|Gen (Leroy, Shaheen)
  6. THY|Chikurin (Leroy)
  7. Masa (Leroy)
  8. Zeugal (Leroy)
The only good thing that can come out of this is new balance. This shit is a joke and to be honest it was funny but Namco must address this shit asap to avoid destroying this game from a tournament perspective.
 

DragonofDadashov24

Let’s see whose fire burns hotter
I suggest you do your research on Street Fighter 5's and Tekken 7's balance eight or nine months into the games' lifespan.
And? Have you forgotten MK11 prepatch? NRS released 3 games since 2015 and they’re all unbalanced while T7 devs have been focusing on perfecting the game since launch. Should I bring up Panda player winning a tourney? I’m not even talking about T7 being a 3d fighter that has more difficulties with patching than a 2d fighter.
 

M2Dave

Zoning Master
And? Have you forgotten MK11 prepatch? NRS released 3 games since 2015 and they’re all unbalanced while T7 devs have been focusing on perfecting the game since launch. Should I bring up Panda player winning a tourney? I’m not even talking about T7 being a 3d fighter that has more difficulties with patching than a 2d fighter.
I have not forgotten. I am still waiting for you to do your research about the various pre-patch versions of Street Fighter 5 and Tekken 7 before criticizing any pre-patch version of Mortal Kombat 11. Please share what you discover.

As far as balancing and patching 2D and 3D fighting games is concerned, both are equally difficult although I would argue that 2Ds are more difficult because developers must balance the up close game and the full screen game as well as every range in between. 3Ds are not fought outside of the up close game and the immediate mid range game.