Superman General Discussion Thread

[Noodle Monkey]

Never seen before, what’s the max dmg from that ? I hit quite a few mbf3s

If you spend all your bar and have trait it does around 600
I think the most you can get without spending a stupid amount of meter is around 450
I'll double check when I get in the house

 

[Noodle Monkey]

Max damage (probably)

Nearly Unclashable With trait

F23 Starter

 

[Noodle Monkey]

Also is there a discord?

 

[Undergroundepict]

Also is there a discord?

https://discord.gg/zFmcq4b

That's a swag combo, and one I have never seen before.

That said, the problem is that it is nearly unclashable. Unless you really catch an opponent slipping, they will be holding f+R2 and clash automatically.

Still cool though.

 

[Noodle Monkey]

Yeah that

https://discord.gg/zFmcq4b

That's a swag combo, and one I have never seen before.

That said, the problem is that it is nearly unclashable. Unless you really catch an opponent slipping, they will be holding f+R2 and clash automatically.

Still cool though.

Yeah that is the issue, but my idea was after the other B3 they wouldn't expect anything else

 

[gibster13]

Greetings my fellow Kryptonians'

This is a decent FT3 in ranked vs Supergirl with a very good Win to Loss ratio. Looking for guidance as I think that it is a 6-4.

 

[gibster13]

I can tell Atoms' low profiling is gonna be a huge issue

 

[Noodle Monkey]

I can tell Atoms' low profiling is gonna be a huge issue

RIP F23
It was fun

 

[gibster13]

I love superman but after seeing him in S tier in some lists, I heavily disagree.

 

[Tweedy]

I was saying he's top 5, but after seeing so much downplay from other communities, i'm tired of upplaying so much. He's not so much better than characters like Darkseid, Harley, Manta, etc who get heavily downplayed around here. He's arguably not better than them at all.

I thought my upplay would fuel more upplaying but it's just fueled them to be like "oh well if Tweedy agrees Superman is so high, I do too and my character needs buffs!".

 

[gibster13]

I prefer to not feed the tier lists, as I fear used to do. Like ppl are putting him top 5, when he simply isn’t. I don’t want him being nerfed because of upplay is all.

Don’t get me wrong he is good but he is not top 5

 

[Undergroundepict]

Yeah, Superman isn't top 5. He's almost definitely top 10, but there are definitely at least 5 characters who are better than him in this game. The distinction between top 5 and top 10 is an important one, even in a game as balanced as Injustice 2.

RIP F23
It was fun

bf2 catches Atom (and Catwoman for that matter) no matter how low he profiles. It looks janky as fuck, but it works. While he does low profile f2 and b2, his low profiling is not nearly as absurd or obnoxious as Catwoman. She low profiles more moves, and does it out of b3 and backdash ffs, while Atom requires a risky trait to access low profiling.

TBH his sweep is a bigger problem than his trait on the low profiling front. I don't see the Atom MU being as difficult as we may have originally anticipated.

 

[kdawg]

What's the consensus on the robin MU. Cause I'm slipping

 

[Kooron Nation]

What's the consensus on the robin MU. Cause I'm slipping

I personally think Robin wins, he's got a good 6f normal, sweep, and the sword dance to all check with after f23/breath pressure, and his birdarang really fucks up Supe's zoning.
He can mash d12 on oki as well to beat any wake up attempt.

 

[Tweedy]

What's the consensus on the robin MU. Cause I'm slipping

I think Superman does well but the early opinions that Robin lost 2-8 and 3-7 to Superman were definitely bills.

 

[gibster13]

Robin supes is 5-5 imo

 

[kdawg]

Yeah cause if I do 1 air laser and he blocks it and he gets a free birdirang and he's in

 

[Kooron Nation]

Yeah cause if I do 1 air laser and he blocks it and he gets a free birdirang and he's in

And if he throws it before your laser it'll track you and hit you in the air

 

[Cursa]

My tips on Robin MU would be trying not to go for air lasers for reasons mentioned, but a good read and robin can hit you out of the air with his long J1 which is actually a really far reaching jump normal.

Supes has negative wakeup options in this matchup pretty much but if you eat the D12 is doesn't lead into anything major for robin as D12xxTrait is punishable on block, D12xxDB3 (Swoop) has gaps in it that should be labbed, and D12xxDB2MB is just a waste of meter for robin. Of course he can stagger D12 with just D1 or start using other strings such as 212 once conditioned but that's just part of the matchup.

Things I would say though, although robin is pretty good at keeping superman honest with his trait pressure with his D12 and DP, superman is good at keeping robin on his toes in footsie range also. Robin has nearly no plus frames (123 is his only one) outside of trait which requires setup, so he can be checked with F23 after nearly everything. Superman's J1 can be a good tool for dealing with Robins using J3 or his air DB2, if read well, and his strings have a deceptive amount of recovery on whiff, even though whiffing them is quite hard.

Seems like a 5-5 to me. Superman can't zone robin out like a lot of other non-zoners characters do (Batman, beetle etc) and superman is kinda free on wakeup, but superman has pretty good options at dealing with robins normals. Grounded zoning with DB3 is also still relatively effective if mixed with ground laser to stop robin from throwing out birdarangs after each one. Also 90% sure there is some way to dodge birdarang using well timed jumps or air dashes, but I haven't seen anyone do it in ages online.

 

[Kooron Nation]

What's Superman's worst match up?

CatWoman? Black Adam?

 

[Undergroundepict]

What's Superman's worst match up?

CatWoman? Black Adam?

Catwoman and it's not even close. I would go as far as to say the MU is a legitimate 3-7 for us. Her b3 deletes us from the game.

After that I would have Wonder Woman, I believe, but that MU is just your standard 4-6. It's manageable.

I have Black Adam as a 4-6 for us, but I'm rounding it up from 4.5/5.5. BA wins, but it's not so bad.

My philosophy is that nothing is gained from not acknowledging the real winner of a matchup and using vague terms like "a hard 5-5," so my tendency is to round up rather than remain conservative.

 

[Cursa]

Catwoman and it's not even close. I would go as far as to say the MU is a legitimate 3-7 for us. Her b3 deletes us from the game.

After that I would have Wonder Woman, I believe, but that MU is just your standard 4-6. It's manageable.

I have Black Adam as a 4-6 for us, but I'm rounding it up from 4.5/5.5. BA wins, but it's not so bad.

My philosophy is that nothing is gained from not acknowledging the real winner of a matchup and using vague terms like "a hard 5-5," so my tendency is to round up rather than remain conservative.

Shit I didn't realise cat woman was that bad. I know her J2 is annoying to deal with and the fact she low profiles F2 about 50 different ways, but is there anything else that makes it bad? Cat dash punishes air laser doesn't it?

 

[Kooron Nation]

Shit I didn't realise cat woman was that bad. I know her J2 is annoying to deal with and the fact she low profiles F2 about 50 different ways, but is there anything else that makes it bad? Cat dash punishes air laser doesn't it?

She can just evade all the lasers tbh

 

[Cursa]

She can just evade all the lasers tbh

And then punish on whiff?

 

[Kooron Nation]

And then punish on whiff?

I don't think she can punish with catdash, definitely not the MB one anyways but why wouldn't you mb it against her.
If she just sits there and evades, she gets her scratches up and then start her plus frames stuff