Guide - Grandmaster Sub-Zero GRANDMASTER Guide

[thlityoursloat]

I think he loses to Tremor, Predator, D'Vorah, Takeda(only in lasher), Kenshi(only balanced), Kung Jin(Shaolin) , and Quan Chi(Summoner). I think we could make this a pretty good rescource.

Not Balanced. Balanced is so bad, he doesn't even need to clone to pound Balanced. Possessed tho, he can punish unsafe clone cancels meterlessly and can check his slide and footsie normals with shoulder.
E: Balanced can do all that too, but generally he's a lot unsafer and more susceptible to getting punished by slide. (eg. balanced shoulder is -15, possessed is -10).

 

[Dankster Morgan]

Not Balanced. Balanced is so bad, he doesn't even need to clone to pound Balanced. Possessed tho, he can punish unsafe clone cancels meterlessly and can check his slide and footsie normals with shoulder.
E: Balanced can do all that too, but generally he's a lot unsafer and more susceptible to getting punished by slide. (eg. balanced shoulder is -15, possessed is -10).

Fair enough

 

[llabslb]

Match up chart update
I have now included all variations, figures are probably inaccurate as I rushed through most. I'm pretty sure I have the Grandmaster v Swarm Queen match up down though. Discuss what must be adjusted.

@Dankster Morgan @zoofs @Lokheit @boba_buster @RM Ree
@Snoop88 I did what you said

 

[boba_buster]

Haha yeeeeaaaaa

 

[Lokheit]

Wait... Cryo is 6-4 against GM and GM is also 6-4 against Cryo?

I'll have to check it in depth, it must've been an exhausting work.

 

[llabslb]

Wait... Cryo is 6-4 against GM and GM is also 6-4 against Cryo?

Isn't it 6/4 in GM's favour? At least thats what I put down, no?

 

[Lokheit]

Isn't it 6/4 in GM's favour? At least thats what I put down, no?

It appears as a 6 in both sides on the image.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

We probably beat fisticuffs 7-3 idk what he can really do. Sun God and blood God too. It's definitely a good start.

 

[zoofs]

wow i wasn't talking that in depth as in cryo and unbreakable as well but good work ill check it out later

 

[boba_buster]

Just to throw this out there for info purposes. , but I recently realized I was dropping a lot of f12 Enders because I was dashing forward after a corner clone freeze and apparently in sum situations being too close will mess up the gravity or something , now I space it where I'm jus close enough to connect the njp and no more dropped f12's!

 

[Snoop88]

Lol at D'vorah SQ. FATALITY good job llbslbhttp://testyourmight.com/members/llabslb.30704/

 

[llabslb]

I just briefly went through the scores I semi copied/pasted and booooy. It's trash.

 

[boba_buster]

It's ok dude it's just a starting point

 

[boba_buster]

The layout is awsome

 

[KingJerm731]

Just to throw this out there for info purposes. , but I recently realized I was dropping a lot of f12 Enders because I was dashing forward after a corner clone freeze and apparently in sum situations being too close will mess up the gravity or something , now I space it where I'm jus close enough to connect the njp and no more dropped f12's!

I dash forward after every freeze and I never have f12 drop. It could be a jip issue. Do you use 1 or 2?

 

[boba_buster]

Ji2

 

[Dankster Morgan]

Ji2

Does the F12 miss too early or too late?

 

[boba_buster]

F1 connects but the 2 drops , they hit the ground too soon , any other ideas on what I may be doing wrong?

 

[Dankster Morgan]

F1 connects but the 2 drops , they hit the ground too soon , any other ideas on what I may be doing wrong?

You could be doing the B12xxklone too late after the D1(I'm assuming this is the double B2 male corner combo), try to get it as high as possible but not too high or else it won't combo and you will whiff Klone. If the second hit is what is dropping, then you aren't getting good height. Or it could be the ji2 isn't being done soon enough. After the njp, hold jump forward so that Sub-Zero can leave the ground immediately once he lands, mash 2 since there is no real penalty for doing so in the air while you are comboing, then get the F12 knock down as soon as possible to give you max advantage and a setup.

 

[KingJerm731]

Yeah it really shouldn't be dropping. It's not dependent on freeze height. They are going to bounce the same no matter what the distance is from the ground.

 

[boba_buster]

Yeah it really shouldn't be dropping. It's not dependent on freeze height. They are going to bounce the same no matter what the distance is from the ground.

Not true at all dude , and no it's not the b2b2 Combo that one I land perfect every time , I'm talking about when I end up having to use less than optimal clone freeze combos like 242 1 11xxclone , they gravity seems a lot different

 

[boba_buster]

The 11xxclibe freeze catches them higher up so but for sum reason they fall down faster?

 

[boba_buster]

For sum reason 242 increases gravity more than b2 , the (2) in 24(2) also scales damage more than any of subs other normals as well

 

[KingJerm731]

Yes, 242 affects the gravity. I'm pretty sure that freeze height doesn't, however. I'll have one whiff off of a b2, 242 corner combo every now and then. Maybe try cutting out the jip and just go straight from njp to f12? I've seen a couple dudes do that.

 

[boba_buster]

Yea that might be the answer , or maybe I should jus go old school safe ender when I'm stuck using those set ups , njk.