God Confirm
We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
Nobody said it isn't.Playing to win is extremely fun to a lot of us.
Nobody said it isn't.Playing to win is extremely fun to a lot of us.
Its tap-tap (Scorp Spear, SZ Slide, Raiden Superman) or flow (Scorp Teleport, SZ Ice Ball, Raiden Electric Grab)...Tap tap and flow flow are very different. I wouldn't suggest using a character that has tap and flow, or a tap tap character if you already flow bro.
Don't ya know?
Demonic Kenshi isn't shit tier at all any more.Sub-Zero ISNT a shit tier though. It's not fucking Kenshi or something.
Just smile and wave, smile and waveI'm still not sure what you're talking about lol.
When the going gets tough, the newer player's instincts will push him to do whatever is comfortable - be it circle or tap-tap motion.I'm still not sure what you're talking about lol.
Not shit tier but you get my point. SZ has less to complain about by far than Kenshi.Demonic Kenshi isn't shit tier at all any more.
Ehhh debatable. I'll probably get crucified for this but I'd rather take Kenshi to tournament than SZNot shit tier but you get my point. SZ has less to complain about by far than Kenshi.
I'm a Kenshi player but I can see where you're coming from, Possessed Kenshi is no joke any more.Ehhh debatable. I'll probably get crucified for this but I'd rather take Kenshi to tournament than SZ
How many matchups does Kenshi win?Ehhh debatable. I'll probably get crucified for this but I'd rather take Kenshi to tournament than SZ
You don't need to win a single match up, 5-5 is a win if you outplay your opponent. Ill gladly trade off some really unfair positive match ups to get rid of some really unfair negative MUs. But that's just me.How many matchups does Kenshi win?
I guess if thats your preference. But I'd wager Kenshi has the the same amount of losing matchups as Sub. D'Vorah vs Sub = Shinnok vs Kenshi in all honesty.You don't need to win a single match up, 5-5 is a win if you outplay your opponent. Ill gladly trade off some really unfair positive match ups to get rid of some really unfair negative MUs. But that's just me.
Nah I'll take Kenjutsu vs Shinnok any day of the weekI guess if thats your preference. But I'd wager Kenshi has the the same amount of losing matchups as Sub. D'Vorah vs Sub = Shinnok vs Kenshi in all honesty.
I don't know about that.I guess if thats your preference. But I'd wager Kenshi has the the same amount of losing matchups as Sub. D'Vorah vs Sub = Shinnok vs Kenshi in all honesty.
I don't think it's 5/5 city and didn't say it was and I'm also not the only person in here saying they'd rather take Kenshi to a tourney, so I don't get that tag.Ok thats just one example. I'm just really thinking that Kenshi has absolutely no advantage really anywhere. He is gonna have to get away with random teles in Possessed or random ex launchers, getting no damage for it in Possessed. Possessed actually has pretty comparable meterless damage to Boneshaper. As for Kenjustsu, he still gets dominated anywhere on screen. He has even less of a chance of zoning Shinnok, gets crushed in footsies, if Shinnok has a bar, all of his specials become useless, it seems pretty 7-3. I'm not really seeing any point where Kenshi gets a leg up. Sub has one saving grace vs D'Vorah which is if he guesses right while she is cornered. That's about as far as it goes really. As far as risk/reward goes, I'm not seeing any risks Shinnok needs to take against Kenshi. I get what you mean about Shinnok needing to be right more times than Kenshi to win, but not for his one bar damage. He gets about 30 off of a scoop and everything ends in a restand. The way these characters were constructed allows Shinnok to build shit tons of meter as well, with Kenshi going for yolo tele grabs only to eat an ex scoop or trade with his plus a billion projectile. All I'm saying is Kenshi has his fair share of death matches, and loses to every top tier character. Shinnok may not have been the best example. Same could be said for Mileena I suppose. @God Confirm I don't know why you're expecting it to be 5-5 city. Maybe versus the mid tier characters but not the more popular tournament characters. Ironically the character you're describing would be more like Boneshaper Shinnok. Either way I'm not sure how this thread turned into this. I'm just saying to that one guy who thinks Sub is garbage that he is actually mid tier, and an actual low tier or lower mid tier character like Kenshi who has probably the same if not more losing matchups, and way less winning ones.
Hell nah you can push her out her optimal range, your armor beats hers and is fucking hard for her to punish, and you don't fear the Sais. You are problys talking about Balanced and you would be correct, but Kenjutsu probably has a better match up against her than plenty of much better characters doKenshi vs Mileena is probably as bad as Sub vs D'vorah, yeah.
Tbh though i'm starting to think that Mileena has a ton of 7-3s. Her bad match ups are 5-5 lawl.
The tag was because I was replying to you, wasn't trying to blow you up. I have Sub-Zero with 11 winning, 11 losing, and 11 even. I guarantee that Kenshi doesn't stack up that well. That's why I don't see the well rounded thing because he probably has the same number of losing matchups. Who cares if they aren't as bad as D'Vorah vs Sub, some are pretty close though, because the odds are still stacked against you at the highest level. Outplaying your opponent doesn't come into account in a tier discussion because it is on the basis that they are EQUALLY skilled players at the highest possible level in this matchup. If you're better than your opponent then it isn't really a matchup that can be taken into a tier discussion. We don't complain because we don't want a broke character. Bottom ten may be pushing it imo, and even if it was true, everyone except maybe the bottom 3 are usable. I'd say he isn't in the bottom ten because he is better than Kenshi, Triborg, Kung Lao, Jason, Tanya, Jacqui, Kitana, Bo Rai Cho, Raiden, Predator(yes), and Goro. Probably even more but that's just off the top of my head. I know your opinions on Kung Lao and that you like to up play him so let's not go there. But yeah I totally respect your opinion, but having spent a year with Sub-Zero, I think he is middle of the mid tier.I don't think it's 5/5 city and didn't say it was and I'm also not the only person in here saying they'd rather take Kenshi to a tourney, so I don't get that tag.
He's obviously going to have a hard time vs some of the top tiers, but so is Sub. SZ is even more polarised though. Kenshi has no match up as bad as Dvo vs Sub, and Sub arguably has multiple of them. Kenshi might be underpowered but at least he's well rounded, and isn't horribly dependant on one special which doesn't even work in every MU. GM is basically variationless vs Dvo, I mean Kenshi ain't an amazing character but I'll take Kenjutsu over variationless Sub any day.
And yeah Sub is pretty garbage, in my opinion. Bottom 10 minimum but likely even lower. And even if he wasn't, he's a walking coin flip on the character select screen except it's a two headed coin and you call tails every time, because even if your opponent is playing Reptile or non WG kotal or whoever else is even considered a winning MU for sz, it doesn't matter, because everyone of these mains has a secondary who counters the shit out of sub.
I feel bad for your character but aye you guys seem fine with it, so I never really mention it. There is just no reason for anything in this game other than telepathic moves not to collide with a brick of ice. Lazy design the way everyone just gets to go through it for free