^ These characters I agree she was definitely better than. When I say "definitely" I mean like "Alien is definitely better than Kenshi". That would fall in line with mine with them. But these--I have her being definitely better than:
- ares
- cyborg
- joker
- green arrow
- grundy
- Shazam
- scorpion
^ --I wouldn't say she is definitely better than. Some of the other Top 10 characters like say, Sinestro, or Bane, had huge consensus on characters they were better than. Frost never reached that point because much more of the theory was being discussed than what actually plays out in MUs. Other than supposedly beating Aquaman for a few months did she beat any Top 10 character? Where those 5-5's really even or just a placeholder for an actual losing MU?-hawkgirl
-nightwing
-catwoman
-Harley
-Luther
-- I don't see at all. No way Frost was on par with GL, Lobo, and Raven. Savage characters. Those are the characters ranked where Frost is theoretically ranked. Frost reminds me our HT Jacqui. Top 5 on the bench, but when in the game, not so much.And debatably better than:
- green lantern
- lobo
- raven
- Zatanna
- black Adam
I can agree with this.KF was better than Harley and Lex for sure because those two had a lot more polarized match ups than she did. @SaltShaker
KF excelled at one thing and did average/slightly below average at everything else. I'd say at worst she's the lower end of mid tier.
But not this lol. Watch.Lemme refresh yall memories because it seems like yall forgot about this ho
A 6f jab that lead into a string that was +2(+5 with trait cancel), and easily hitconfirmed into specials
Easily one of the best d2s in the game that was hella easy to combo off of, even on a trade, and it was SAFE IN BLOCK
Tons of frame traps, with s3 being +15.
7f d1 that was plus on block and let into an 50/50 on hit
2 different vortex, metered and meterless, 40% on each loop and SAFE. It even had a mind game if it was blocked.
The best parry in the game. 1f and led into a combo with a bar.
The second fastest f3 in the game with good range
A damaging 2 hitting projectile and a tracking "spike", which gave her decent zoning and counter zoning. Lead into combos in many situations that also set up a vortex.
One of the best wakeups in the game.
And of course, the SLIDE. I don't even have to talk about that.
Of course she had weaknesses, like being super free in the air, which is why she lost to characters like WW and HG, and strong zoners gave her trouble, which is why she lost to MMH and Cyborg. She also didn't have any type of footsies outside slide.
Even with those weaknesses, she still did WELL against characters like BG, flash, superman, Aquaman, bane.
No way in hell was this character bottom 10. Wasn't top 10 either. Solid mid tier character.
I can agree with this.
But not this lol. Watch.
Lemme refresh yall memories because it seems like yall forgot about this man.
Some of the highest damaging combos in the game.
80% damage optimal reset.
One of the best D2's in the game. Super easy to combo off of. Some of the best AA options in the game.
Chain grab throw setups.
Walking Corpse- can use as a grab, cancel for free pressure into all types of mind games, and absorb projectiles. One of the best tools in the game.
Some of the best oki in the game.
One of the best corner pressure in the game.
A great Swamp Hands that gave him good anti zoning, and traps for full combo when EX'd even from full screen.
Etc.
But no one was calling for Upper Mid Grundy after a few months. I dunno why the Frost stuff stuck on.
Even the Joker can sound good on paper, but I dunno about this characters actual in game utility compared to what most the cast was doing and doing it much easier.
#BuffRaven2017
She went 5/5 or beat the following "top 10" characters:Other than supposedly beating Aquaman for a few months did she beat any Top 10 character?
Na she definitely didn't lose to BM. Me and forever King played that and we both said 5-5. Arma said 5-5 as well. I believe she lost to cyborg as well. That was tough. HG was bad too, but like 4.5-5.5 badShe went 5/5 or beat the following "top 10" characters:
- batgirl
- flash
- aquaman
- superman
- doomsday
- Deathstroke
- sinestro
She lost to MMH, WW, Zod and debatably batman (although I felt that match up wasn't too bad tbh).
I think she lost to cyborg, hawkgirl, black Adam and Raven but I was listing potential top 10 characters. While I agree that BM wasn't that bad, it could be argued that he zoned her out badly and his double jump made slide even more of a risk than it was normally.Na she definitely didn't lose to BM. Me and forever King played that and we both said 5-5. Arma said 5-5 as well. I believe she lost to cyborg as well. That was tough. HG was bad too, but like 4.5-5.5 bad
16 Bit beat Sonic's BG with Catwoman in a Grand Finals of a major.Idk man I guess I'm gdlk for making top 8s with a bottom 10 character lol
I can't wrap my brain around Frost being a 5-5 against BG lol. I've heard it before, just never bought it. Same with DS. I guess I could see her not "losing" to the rest. Maybe, trying to lol but it's hard.She went 5/5 or beat the following "top 10" characters:
- batgirl
- flash
- aquaman
- superman
- doomsday
- Deathstroke
- sinestro
She lost to MMH, WW, Zod and debatably batman (although I felt that match up wasn't too bad tbh).
O ok i see.I think she lost to cyborg, hawkgirl, black Adam and Raven but I was listing potential top 10 characters. While I agree that BM wasn't that bad, it could be argued that he zoned her out badly and his double jump made slide even more of a risk than it was normally.
True lol.16 Bit beat Sonic's BG with Catwoman in a Grand Finals of a major.
Character =|= Player.
I can't wrap my brain around Frost being a 5-5 against BG lol. I've heard it before, just never bought it. Same with DS. I guess I could see her not "losing" to the rest. Maybe, trying to lol but it's hard.
She beat all of batgirl's wakeup options with d1. She punished overhead vortex starter for full combo on block into her own vortex. In terms of neutral, they were pretty similar. With killer frost at least having slide to get in easier (although batgirl did have better dashes).16 Bit beat Sonic's BG with Catwoman in a Grand Finals of a major.
Character =|= Player.
I can't wrap my brain around Frost being a 5-5 against BG lol. I've heard it before, just never bought it. Same with DS. I guess I could see her not "losing" to the rest. Maybe, trying to lol but it's hard.
Where was this quote even from? Lol I totally forgot"All that bitch can do is slide."
The only reason you think Grundy is so good is cause he beats Raven. That Grundy upplay is too apparent boyo.I can agree with this.
But not this lol. Watch.
Lemme refresh yall memories because it seems like yall forgot about this man.
Some of the highest damaging combos in the game.
80% damage optimal reset.
One of the best D2's in the game. Super easy to combo off of. Some of the best AA options in the game.
Chain grab throw setups.
Walking Corpse- can use as a grab, cancel for free pressure into all types of mind games, and absorb projectiles. One of the best tools in the game.
Some of the best oki in the game.
One of the best corner pressure in the game.
A great Swamp Hands that gave him good anti zoning, and traps for full combo when EX'd even from full screen.
Etc.
But no one was calling for Upper Mid Grundy after a few months. I dunno why the Frost stuff stuck on.
Even the Joker can sound good on paper, but I dunno about this characters actual in game utility compared to what most the cast was doing and doing it much easier.
#BuffRaven2017
What was the string that was +5 when trait cancelled? I have totally forgotten most of her strings...Lemme refresh yall memories because it seems like yall forgot about this ho
A 6f jab that lead into a string that was +2(+5 with trait cancel), and easily hitconfirmed into specials
111What was the string that was +5 when trait cancelled? I have totally forgotten most of her strings...
Really? I thought you were gonna say 112 or whatever it was with the kick at the end. I was gonna say it had too much pushback.111
And it was +6. Forgot to edit lol
She had 3 strings that ended with a kick. 11b2, 1133 and f113. I think you're talking about 11b2 tho. F113 was +4 on block and 1133 was +3 on block.Really? I thought you were gonna say 112 or whatever it was with the kick at the end. I was gonna say it had too much pushback.
Yeah, I was thinking of 11b2. I can't believe 111~trait was +6.She had 3 strings that ended with a kick. 11b2, 1133 and f113. I think you're talking about 11b2 tho. F113 was +4 on block and 1133 was +3 on block.