Skarlet: Banned @ Evo? (All DLC officially banned for Evo 2011)

[Subby]

Not to talk about another game, but.....Shuma Gorath and Jill were tournement ready when they first came out in MvsC3 right(At least thats what I assume....)? So why not Skarlet?

 

[n3ffy]

I dont think she should be banned do u SSF4:AE east coast had 1 week to play before ceo and RA and the japs had 1 year and west coast had 2 in a half months if ur a good player u learn how to beat her and what she does just because you dont wanna sit down and learn her what she does and her weakness's doesnt mean that she should be banned and "YOU" i use it as if the shoe fits kinda thing

 

[16 Bit]

Allow her. A month is plenty of time to learn a matchup. We should not ban a character because she might be broken. New bullshit could be found for this game at any moment. They'll have two weeks to fix her if July 6th is the deadline for patches. If she's broke and unfixed by then so be it. It won't look good for the game and neither does banning a character because we're scared she might be broken.

 

[MKK hanzo]

Skarlet should be banned at Evo.

She is too new,and as some ppl here pointed: We DONT KNOW what would be discovered from here to there, specially when the game is so new.

BTW thx to MrWizard for taking the time and asking the TYM comunnity. Really apreciated and I wish you guys a WONDERFUL, BIGGEST AND BEST EVO EVER! (3 big games! mk9 ssf4 ae and mvc3!!!)

I dont think she should be banned do u SSF4:AE east coast had 1 week to play before ceo and RA and the japs had 1 year and west coast had 2 in a half months if ur a good player u learn how to beat her and what she does just because you dont wanna sit down and learn her what she does and her weakness's doesnt mean that she should be banned and "YOU" i use it as if the shoe fits kinda thing

i was thinking the same, but the changes between SSF4 and AE arent as big as a new game. i dont know if I explained well. My english is bad.

 

[Jaybo]

Tough call. I say no, she shouldn't be banned, because of the changes so many other characters have gotten. It depends on what NRS does with her before EVO - it sounds like she is getting at least her throw nerfed before EVO at least.

If people are using the 'learning for less than a month' argument, we better ban a bunch of other characters that all got changes too. If bugs are found with her prior to EVO that give her the advantage, then of course ban her. Banning her without something proven to be broken outside of her throw damage is just going to equal lost sales for NRS. Everyone has equal chance to learn with her (except for Tom Brady of course.)

 

[mkking]

As the DLC came out Tuesday, we at Evo think that Skarlet shouldnt be allowed for tournament play because one months time frame isn;t long enough.

You are free to vote what you think, but if you are going to comment, please be construcitive and not troll or flame bait.

Thanks.

i dont see why she should be banned especially when you enter a tournament you should be prepare and 1 month is long enough to get to know the character either using her or fighting her. Justin Wong practices 8-10 hrs a day before Major tournaments.

 

[Konqrr]

Also, something to note... Skarlet is not an easy mode character.

I spent nearly 6 hours last night in the lab with her. She is definitely NOT easy to use.

I am glad that the slide to popup/overhead/xray is a bug and going to be fixed though. The 17% back throw makes me LOL though.

 

[MKK hanzo]

Tough call. I say no, she shouldn't be banned, because of the changes so many other characters have gotten. It depends on what NRS does with her before EVO - it sounds like she is getting at least her throw nerfed before EVO at least.

If people are using the 'learning for less than a month' argument, we better ban a bunch of other characters that all got changes too. If bugs are found with her prior to EVO that give her the advantage, then of course ban her. Banning her without something proven to be broken outside of her throw damage is just going to equal lost sales for NRS. Everyone has equal chance to learn with her (except for Tom Brady of course.)

What abput the fact that she is a "paid" character? Maybe just MAYBE not everyone will "buy her" in time for Evo. Just saying.

 

[Sasarix]

I agree she should be banned from EVO and any tournaments leading up to EVO the last thing we need is Michelangelo showing up using another infinite string to win a tournament.

 

[Kensei]

What abput the fact that she is a "paid" character? Maybe just MAYBE not everyone will "buy her" in time for Evo. Just saying.

I think if you can afford to go to Evo $5 won't break you.

 

[Hungry Gamer]

So she might be broken? So what? That never stopped anyone before. Everyone knew there was a kabal block infinite. He wasn't banned in tournaments, nor was doing that combo. Other games such as guilty gear or Marvel vs Capcom 2 have clearly top tier characters over some crap ones, and they aren't broken. Soul Calibur didn't ban Hilde. Why ban Skarlet on a possiblity that she MIGHT be broken. That seems weird making a call like this now, when past prescedent hasn't been this way

 

[spin4u]

No Ban. Thats just dumb in my opinion unless she has some sort of glitch found. Isn't Evo for serious competition, so wouldn't a serious Mk9 player buy Scarlett for a value meal to learn her...
Using "Michelangelo" as a reference is just plain stupid. After patch he still got 1st.

 

[Zebster]

If you are serious about learning the matchups, you are going to have to buy her eventually, may as well buy her ASAP, because unless she is broken she won't be banned forever. As for EVO, I'm undecided either way.

 

[Jaybo]

What abput the fact that she is a "paid" character? Maybe just MAYBE not everyone will "buy her" in time for Evo. Just saying.

Whose fault is that? She's not exclusive. If you can pay to enter EVO and get to EVO, I think you MIGHT be able to afford a grand total of $5.

 

[noob Noob]

Not to talk about another game, but.....Shuma Gorath and Jill were tournement ready when they first came out in MvsC3 right(At least thats what I assume....)? So why not Skarlet?

They were on the marvel disc right? They were characters mindfully taken out of the game so that they could be released as dlc as far as I'm aware. This means they'll have been properly tested like all the other characters. And Capcom, unlike NRS, actually know their own frame data so they can just look at the numbers and make sure infinates are not possible.

NRS dont know their frame data, so even they dont know if this character has infinates. We'll be beta testing her for months yet...

Here's the thing :

How many of the characters in the game on release, had an infinate? Lots of them. In fact so many of them that I'd suggest most of us cannot list them all. Some people will be able to, the likes of Tom Brady and others who have paid such attention to detail and spent lots of time finding these infinates. But most of us only remember a few of them

Now how long was the game out before they were all discovered? How many months of testing were there before the game was released on top of that? And then how long did it take NRS to fix them all after they knew?

A lot longer than a month thats for sure.

Every single one of us could spend hours every day in the lab trying to find out if Skarlet has any possible infinates before Evo. And even then we couldnt be positive that she does not.

Are we even 100% sure there's definately no more infinates with rest of the cast? And if not, why add more uncertainty?

I thought most of us liked balance and fairness in our fighting games. So why risk it and take the chance that MK9 will be ruined at Evo with multiple Skarlets infinate abusing their way to the finals? It was infuriating enough watching good players lose to Online Tony every week at Wednesday Night Fights, let alone Evo.

Why cant Skarlet wait for a less serious event a few weeks after Evo, when we are more certain of her limits? Its not that long to wait - and will only give you time to get better with her. Is it worth whats at stake? I cannot see how

 

[DCT]

Well I had sometime to mull this over and hearing the debate and the points brought up by both sides and props btw for people keeping this civil so far and not letting this be filled with stupid and ignorant comments. I can say this is a real hard subject to come to a decision on and I agree with Mr. Wizard that the decision should be made by July before EVO as it's not fair to those who do use her to get to the tourney and to find that she's no longer playable.

But anyway honestly at this stage, in hindsight I am really starting to think that there not much reason with the whole "one months is no time to learn to play against her" based on precedents i.e. with as Dark Rob has brought up with MK being two weeks old at Powerup and a month old by PDP(and with a unpatched version of the game to boot), RevLAtions which was running 1.02 which only came out what a day before and had a host of re-balances, and also CEO and RevLA running AE which few people here in the states had access to before it's console release so there's not that much argument. Is it fair? That's not for me to really say and honestly that's debatable but I feel if people can deal with playing a game that was only two weeks, a month old or a playing a version of it that was only a day old that changed quite a bit of the game's balances and no real patch notes to boot, best I can say based on that is, simply you just have to try to adjust as best you can that's all you can do.

But as for her possibly be broken, I say we should have to take a wait and see approach and hope that any major issues that she may have either surface before June when the decision is made(yes I know about the 17% dmg throw but I thought I heard someone say that NRS was looking to hotfix that, may be wrong though) and she get's banned because of it or lay low till after EVO as right now that seems to be the only major thing I can see to have her not at EVO.

Just my rethought 2c for what it's worth(if it's worth that much).

 

[sploitz_fg]

As the DLC came out Tuesday, we at Evo think that Skarlet shouldnt be allowed for tournament play because one months time frame isn;t long enough.

If Skarlet gets banned for this reason then Yun, Yang, Oni, and Evil Ryu should have been banned at CEO2011 and ECT3. I don't believe Skarlet should be banned. One month is plenty of time to learn a match up. The only exception I would accept to this is if a game breaking glitch is found. Rain and Kenchi, on the other hand, I'm all for banning.

 

[Tim Static]

Also, to people who compared the "new" AE characters to this Skarlet discussion, AE isnt a new game. Its new to consoles, but the serious players, most of them you will see in the top 8-16 at Evo for AE, will have been playing these characters for a better part of the last year. FYI...

I agree she should be banned from EVO and any tournaments leading up to EVO the last thing we need is Michelangelo showing up using another infinite string to win a tournament.

But seriously, dont make stupid ass comments like that. Shit is ignorant bro.

 

[Neb saibot]

Skarlet shouldn't be banned, i've been playing with her and besides her back grab which will be fix in a few days shes very balance and has nothing wrong with her. If ssf4ae can allow broken characters like yun and yang (that wack ass tier base game which is sf) than mk should be allowed to use balance skarlet, rain and kenshi if they come out in time.

 

[DarKNaTaS]

Skarlet shouldn't be banned, i've been playing with her and besides her back grab which will be fix in a few days shes very balance and has nothing wrong with her. If ssf4ae can allow broken characters like yun and yang (that wack ass tier base game which is sf) than mk should be allowed to use balance skarlet, rain and kenshi if they come out in time.

i agree with u

 

[D_Matt_Ma]

At this point, she's looking very strong. Her zoning game puts my Stryker to shame, and I spent weeks with him vs. minutes with her.

Of the findings so far, assuming they rebalance the damage on her moves (most of them need nerfing, but some need a buff), then I'm fine with her being legal. I'll wait for the fix before I vote. If the fix comes out after the poll closes, It's a Yes on banning from me.

 

[denyeverything]

Its a simple question. Do you support balance bans or not?

Because that's what is and my answer is no. Were kung lao, block infinite, etc banned? Nope. I can't imagine what kind of sense it makes to allow known broken things, but ban an unknown character.

If broke stuff was banned, then sure. But I think the community overall speaks when major tourneys take the game as is.

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[D_Matt_Ma]

Don't adopt the ban nobody philosophy religiously. It works for most fighters, but it destroyed SC4.

 

[MKK hanzo]

Skarlet shouldn't be banned, i've been playing with her and besides her back grab which will be fix in a few days shes very balance and has nothing wrong with her. If ssf4ae can allow broken characters like yun and yang (that wack ass tier base game which is sf) than mk should be allowed to use balance skarlet, rain and kenshi if they come out in time.

IMO they are different games by different developers and tested very differently. Even MVC3 has "on purpose" broken stuff and even so you can find ways around them. SSF4 is no different. One thing is that the top tier is comprised of few chars (3S) and the others that an entire cast (or 50% ofit) can beat them if the effort puton the fight is enough (3S too). You CANNOT find a way around Noob Saibot on MKT can you?

Either way, a Kung Lao or Reptile will win Evo. (joking)

 

[Timberwolf]

This situation is actually pretty unusual, but I agree with the decision not to allow Skarlet in the tournament. If there simply is not enough time to determine whether or not the character is balanced, then it's better to play it safe and not use them. I'm sure that by next year, after patching and with plenty of time to study the ins-and-outs of MK9's DLC characters, this will not be a problem.