Skarlet: Banned @ Evo? (All DLC officially banned for Evo 2011)

[REO]

lol @ at the people who are saying she's broken or could have some insane infinities. You can obviously tell who hasn't hit the lab with her, yet.

Whether she's banned or not isn't really gonna change a thing because she isn't winning EVO with all the Raidens and Kung Laos anyway.

 

[Neb saibot]

Put it this way the mk community needs to grow, banning skarlet will stop many people who just started playing mk and hope to enter evo with her away from playing the game in the end we need every character to be available to be used minus kratos. There are many rain and kenshi fans too and their suppose to be available by the time evo starts, that being said these characters will bring more hype for evo, the game, and for many players to join in and play.

 

[Adnan]

She doesn't seem to be broken, but that's not the point. It's too early to tell for sure and you know that.

It'd probably be okay for Skarlet to not be banned, but surely it's better to play it safe, for the reasons I stated on the previous page?

 

[Bizkit]

I'll have to vote yes on the ban... She's a new character that has just been released, and the problem is not so much of knowing the match-up, but more of any problems.. I expect this in the future too. We don't exactly know if a player has found something that could potentially be game-breaking (i.e. infinites) and plotting to use it at a big tournament such as EVO.

And I think this will be a constant problem with future DLC too. When anything new released in any game, there are new bugs constantly found that could potential screw someone else.

Now I have been spending a lot of time with the character, and currently have found nothing game-breaking (However I'm not much of someone to find bugs).

TL;DR
Yes

 

[Gangsta Crizzab]

She doesn't seem to be broken, but that's not the point. It's too early to tell for sure and you know that.

It'd probably be okay for Skarlet to not be banned, but surely it's better to play it safe, for the reasons I stated on the previous page?

There's plenty of elements in the entire gameplay system (variable block stun anyone?) that'll put people off MK before even getting into arbitrary arguments of OP between characters. Most of the FG community knows where they stand on MK9... it's outsold every other game in the genre this year and then some, and it's super casual friendly so I highly doubt people tuning in for Evo will be like DUR WHATS MK. We already know it's a tournament-worthy game, the rest is just hype for the matches between the big dogs. On the game's credibility, it should be noted that there are LOTS of people who believe MK9 shouldn't even be at Evo (yes, those people are typically Capcom/Namco purist snobs who already hate the game) and won't give it a chance to begin with. But the game's hype and popularity is unquestioned at this point. I understand the arguments on both sides, and for me it really comes down to player laziness in not learning the match, not "Oh well, she might be broken, let's ban her instead of learning the character in and out". It's not like NRS hasn't playtested her themselves especially after how quickly players discovered all the other bullshit right when the game came out and all the ways to look for it. A month of lab work is way more than the PU/PDP participants got, and the great players will be training for hours each day to learn the ins and outs of the matches, including Skarlet, for exactly the same reasons people want her banned.

So I guess what I'm saying is, have some faith that the community will find her bullshit, and probably pretty quickly, with THE major of all majors around the corner. If she stays in, people ready for Evo will be focusing on her if they're smart... we already know about the other guys and what they're capable of. Not to mention there's the other factor of her being unknown so how many top players are going to chance their shot at winning the big one when they can just pick their KLs/Raidens/Reps/Subs and know what they're doing? Does anyone really expect a Finals of Skarlet vs. Skarlet?

 

[Adnan]

Hm, I guess. If it won't hinder the success of the game, I won't have any complaints.

 

[Risergy]

I see and understand both sides of the argument, and it's clear a lot of you do too, which I think is evidence enough that EVO should step up and stick with their original decision. In situations that have so many people with different opinions you need that one person who will just cut the crap and make a call.

"A camel is a horse designed by committee."

Plus, Skarlet isn't going anywhere. We'll see her at the next EVO with a year of experience under her belt.

 

[thwak]

We know virtually nothing about Skarlett yet compared to what we will know as people begin to break her down. What are our grounds for banning her? Because no one will have that much experience with the matchup? Utter nonsense. EVO is still a month away. Powerup was held less than 2 weeks after MK9's release, and PDP was about 1 month. Skarlett is in the same situation as every other character was in at Powerup. If skarlett is to good then a tournament is the place for that to be put to the test. Not "Well. she might be to good, we just dont know, so lets go ahead and ban her anyway"

But using that very same logic, would this game even be accepted in EVO if it was released on June 22nd?

I guess you can say that since AE was released in June, and since AE is the version of street fighter 4 being played at EVO, Skarlet should be allowed as well. Then again, thanks to the internet we've known about the match ups for all the new characters in AE well before the game was released on consoles.

Ultimately I tend to agree with REO in that she won't have much of an effect on the game in general and we'll still see a top 8 of Kabal, Kano, Kung Lao, and Raiden. I still voted that she should be banned out of principle, but even if she is allowed I won't have a problem.

 

[Jaybo]

im neutral here as i see both sides. but i will point out that ppl saying "allow skarlet!" are the same king of ppl saying "buff raiden, he needs more, i just dont see why hes top". my point is, ppl dont know what they are asking for.

I can already prove that's complete BS. Nowhere in my history have I ever asked for Raiden to get a buff, on any site, in any game for that matter. Feel free to link it if you find it. I'll wait.

 

[noob Noob]

UPDATE

"Unfortunately, due to some technical issues, the Mortal Kombat Skarlet DLC will not be available to PSN users in Europe until next week," Mortal Kombat publisher Warner Bros. told Eurogamer in a new statement.

"We apologise for any inconvenience but assure fans that Skarlet and her fatalities are on the way.

"To clarify the posted price of the Classic Skins pack on PSN is incorrect and is currently being rectified to £3.19 for UK users and €3.99 for European users.

"All users will have access to the compatibility pack and free classic skins – Cyrax and Sektor - once Skarlet is available."

source: Eurogamer.net


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Now if you even have to ask if 1 month is enough time to get used to her, then 3 weeks (if they even get it right this time and she's released) clearly isnt long enough.

I dont know if it is long enough, my concern is more about knowing what kind of broken properties she might or might not have. Unfortunately this issue means I cannot get to the lab with her. And nobody else from the eu can - thus ensuring a significant fraction of would-be testers cannot help you find out if she's fine or not

But wow, those who believe they already know if she has infinates - I take it you had found every issue with all other characters in a couple of days as well then yeah? Kudos to you and your supernatural ability.

 

[Zerosoulreaver]

I can already prove that's complete BS. Nowhere in my history have I ever asked for Raiden to get a buff, on any site, in any game for that matter. Feel free to link it if you find it. I'll wait.

No need to sound butthurt, I don't think Brady was talking to anyone directly and was saying it as a general statement. This is starting to become like the "should bosses be playable?" thread.

 

[TrickyNick]

I personally don't agree with the idea of banning her, but then again im not playing in the tournament. However if I spent my time and money to make it to EVO i would ensure that I knew what to do in a skarlet match. As Rob was saying is it that we are becoming lazy and its just easier to ban her? I personally would love to see some of u guys fight with/against her there is plenty of time. Anyways u would truly deny her the right to fight in EVO? She has been a MK myth for years and finally brought to the light but still forced to set in the dark? If u ask me theres no better time then now to get her out there its pretty convenient that EVO is right around the corner

When i first seen this thread i thought she should have been banned to but after reading alot of your post(especially Robs) i changed my mind, so alot of good stuff here very valid points

 

[noob Noob]

Does anyone actually have a brilliant reason why she needs to be allowed and people cant wait another week for a different event?

 

[GNG Iniquity]

She has been a MK myth for years and finally brought to the light but still forced to set in the dark?

She was a glitch in MK2, sometimes Kitana would appear Red. She was simply named "Scarlet" by the fans. NRS simply decided to make an individual character from the glitch. She has no mysterious origins.

 

[TrickyNick]

She was a glitch in MK2, sometimes Kitana would appear Red. She was simply named "Scarlet" by the fans. NRS simply decided to make an individual character from the glitch. She has no mysterious origins.

Hey when i was 8 or so the first time i seen it i thought it was mysterious, besides being a myth dont make it mystical do u see the mythbusters trying to break the myth of a rainbow going to leprechauns gold

 

[Zerosoulreaver]

I still think she should be banned. Also I don't get this concept people have that banning her will change someone's opinion on playing at Evo or not. If someone wants to play MK at Evo they will with or without Skarlet, she's not that damn important that people will jump on MK just for Skarlet.

We aren't being lazy by saying she should be banned. It's a legit option just like it may be to allow her and people need to take other things into consideration other than just what you personally want to see.

Again, do we know what Skarlet will be like in 3 days or even a month? No we don't.

 

[TrickyNick]

I dont know just seems like were making a big deal out of the situation, to many what ifs...just let the characters fight. Tourney players are good they will find a way around something if needed..thats what makes them high level players.

Anyways i see your point and i respect it

 

[Gangsta Crizzab]

I dont know just seems like were making a big deal out of the situation, to many what ifs...just let the characters fight. Tourney players are good they will find a way around something if needed..thats what makes them high level players.

Anyways i see your point and i respect it

This. We're not giving enough credit to the players' skills IMO, but in light of the EU thing I am more understanding of banning her, but if that's the case, the current version of the game (pre-Hotfix 2) should be the one EVO uses. Another hotfix before EVO would be sending a lot of players back to the drawing board and that's what this is mainly all about, isn't it?

But wow, those who believe they already know if she has infinates - I take it you had found every issue with all other characters in a couple of days as well then yeah? Kudos to you and your supernatural ability.

When one of them (REO) is better than 99% of people ITT as well as a playtester, I can take that as a hefty co-sign for NOT banning her.

 

[PANDEMlC]

I just wanna see high level skarlet play, tired of a lot of the other most popular characters.

 

[Vulcan Hades]

lol @ at the people who are saying she's broken or could have some insane infinities. You can obviously tell who hasn't hit the lab with her, yet.

Well about that, people played the game for weeks before anyone even figured out Kabal and Sonya block infinites or the Cyrax bomb trap/net reset. They didn't figure that stuff in QA or in week 1. Heck people played Sub for 1 whole month and didn't even found the ice freeze glitch.

I'm not saying Skarlet is broken, but I'm saying nobody really knows what Skarlet is capable of yet. She could have a reset glitch/unblockable set up or some dirty tricks no one has figured out yet.

So what will happen if people discover some dirt a few days before EVO? Are they gonna decide to ban Skarlet out of the blue? Then that wouldn't be fair to all the players who practiced Skarlet for a whole month for nothing. But it wouldn't be very smart to allow her either.

That could make NRS and MK9 look bad to a lot of people watching. And in the end I think that's really the worst thing that could happen.

 

[noob Noob]

When one of them (REO) is better than 99% of people ITT as well as a playtester, I can take that as a hefty co-sign for NOT banning her.

It doesnt matter how good or bad a player you are, you can type some stupid things on the internet.

And it doesnt matter if you're a tester or not, this game was tested for months before release. We then had months of play after release before some of the infinates were found out.

So I ask again, whats this amazing reason to have her be played at Evo? Why cant it wait a week for a less important event where it doesnt matter so much if the finals are 2x Skarlet abusing infinates against each other?

The european players including myself have to wait another week before we can download her.
If its not a big deal for us to wait a week, why would it be a big deal for Skarlet players to wait till a week after Evo to display their skills?

As far as I can see from this thread the only reason people want her to be allowed is because they intend to play her at Evo. There's a bigger picture, save it for casuals and the next event

 

[eskuAdradit0]

Think you messed up that quote a bit there.

Also, Mugen, go and practice your Sheeva more.

Erm...sure, whatever. Some time later.

 

[Tom Brady]

imo skarlet is fit for competitive play BUT i also understand that side of "her fist shot in competitive play is EVO and if something is found then Mk looks bad".

all that being said, its 1 thing to be on the side of caution "just in case", but ppl are talking.. not as in skarlet MIGHT have something so lets be safe... but that its a FACT the she does have something and ppl are waiting for EVO to use it.

 

[Konqrr]

imo skarlet is fit for competitive play BUT i also understand that side of "her fist shot in competitive play is EVO and if something is found then Mk looks bad".

all that being said, its 1 thing to be on the side of caution "just in case", but ppl are talking.. not as in skarlet MIGHT have something so lets be safe... but that its a FACT the she does have something and ppl are waiting for EVO to use it.

STSFN!

 

[ApocaLips]

MvC3 is gonna be all phoenix and DHC glitch teams, and AE is going to have a ton of Yun and Fei Long. And we're afraid of too much SKARLET?

The MK community is way too scared of glitches/bugs/infinites. MK9 has breakers, which although not ideal, do help quite a bit to limit the usefulness of infinites. And all this over something that only COULD happen in the next few weeks... geeze.

The reason this was brought up was because there might be not enough time to learn the MATCHUP, not that there might be an infinite.