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DelilahKane

DelilahKane

I’m not your baby.
MagicMan357 said:
her f4 is completely broken LMFAO
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Like most uneducated dolts on this forum, throwing around the word “broken” at the drop of a hat, you show how single minded you are. She has one good tool up close, being her F4. Even then, it’s 14 frames. Hardly as fast as anything the walls of offense known as Geras and Jacqui are throwing out.

God forbid you have to play smart in the neutral against a character with damn near the worst up-close range in the game. Please lab, practice, and understand your options against this move before calling it broken. I know it’s hard in a game where people like to 9 frame mash their way to victory.
 
Arqwart

Arqwart

D'Vorah for KP2 copium
DelilahKane said:
Like most uneducated dolts on this forum, throwing around the word “broken” at the drop of a hat, you show how single minded you are. She has one good tool up close, being her F4. Even then, it’s 14 frames. Hardly as fast as anything the walls of offense known as Geras and Jacqui are throwing out.

God forbid you have to play smart in the neutral against a character with damn near the worst up-close range in the game. Please lab, practice, and understand your options against this move before calling it broken. I know it’s hard in a game where people like to 9 frame mash their way to victory.
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It's MagicMan. You're putting way too much effort in responding to someone that is just a dismissive hit-and-run poster who likes to instigate shit for no reason.

As for Sindel, the more I play her the more I feel that I need to use the same mindset I do as Jade: keep things safe, don't take risks, and be extremely mindful of spacing. Sindel's close range game is greatly lacking so it's best to keep at a nice B2 / F2 / F4 / Hair Whip distance to condition, bait, and punish. Once in, start abusing the double throw KBs like a madlad because no match should go by without at least one of those coming out.
 
Zviko

Zviko

Warrior
F4 broken lol. It's -7, not hit confirmable unless you are a god and 14f.

She's not the best up close but she can still do some mix ups by canceling strings into scream cancels. F2, F21, B3, B34. From there you have throw game and D4/S4 mix up. S4 is an overhead that knocks down right infront of her with 32 hit advantage which is a free cross up jump that beats wake up attacks. And because she's so good in air in every variation she can convert from there.

D4 on hit doesn't give you much. It doesn't jail into BF1 but they are still forced to stay grounded and block/duck it. They can't jump. And barely anyone will punish her whiffing at that range. After they are conditioned to not jump you get your F2/B3 game on.
 
MagicMan357

MagicMan357

"130 ms is more legit than Labbing" - TYM
OK maybe youre not understanding, im talking about the follow up. I dont have her, i just saw a stream with people abusing it. Not that serious but expected.
 
Zviko

Zviko

Warrior
No one said F4 is not good. We're just saying that is nowhere near broken like someone said. But you can abuse F4U3 which makes F4 stagger better because you can steal turns even though it's -7. But you have to condition them first for that to work. It is her best whiff punish, no doubt.
 
S+ Main

S+ Main

Apprentice
Zviko said:
No one said F4 is not good. We're just saying that is nowhere near broken like someone said. But you can abuse F4U3 which makes F4 stagger better because you can steal turns even though it's -7. But you have to condition them first for that to work. It is her best whiff punish, no doubt.
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thats what im saying

I was just trying to say its not only a close range button
 
Zviko

Zviko

Warrior
I have to add another great DB4 punish for Sindel and it's against Jade's B2124 in her third variation. You can reversal into it right after B2 and just like in that Skarlet's and Lao's case, it will hit just as Jade's low attack starts which means it's a KB.

This one Jade was killing me at range only with this string. Then I remembered there's a gap so I tried it. I forgot that there's a low in there so the KB I got was a nice surprise lol.
 
Zviko

Zviko

Warrior
I just remembered the similar, actually identical, situation to Skarlet's and that's Shao's 44. I don't have Shao so I can't test this but someone who has, can you please test if after Shao's 44, if you reversal into DB4 and he does F34(or whatever that mid-low string is), will it KB? Please someone check cause that could be a good one too.
 
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abyson

Noob
sindels third variation is really good you don't have to confront her weakness of being upclose if youre careful and oppressive in mid range her second variation is really good against skarlet and geras atleast from what I know at the moment to me her only bad matchups I know now are kabal and jax especially when they start to stagger their strings and kabal also has great zoning too I predict jade might be too but I haven't fought any jade yet but when I used jade against some sindel players it seemed to be in my favour but that could be cus theyre still figuring her out as for her first variation I haven't seen any reason to use it besides damage and an overhead special
and her f4 up3 is amazing I completely understand why it is 14 frames so im not complaining lol but in a poke war "whew sindel"
 
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Agilaz

Agilaz

It has begun
F4 is good but lets overblow it. It's -7 and leaves you at Sindel's worst possible rangetime. The follow up is almost completely safe even at minus double digits, but it's still the endgame of your turn.
 
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abyson

Noob
Agilaz said:
F4 is good but lets overblow it. It's -7 and leaves you at Sindel's worst possible rangetime. The follow up is almost completely safe even at minus double digits, but it's still the endgame of your turn.
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sorry I meant to say the whole string f4 up3 its no longer your turn but most of the people that have advancing moves from that range before the minus frames are exhausted are either unsafe or highs probably except geras but then hes a nut but this is on the surface im probably not accurate yeah sub zero and shao khan too but im not sure if you have time to jump
 
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Zviko

Zviko

Warrior
DB4 is actually the reason I believe V1 is not that bad up close just because of that DB4 KB fear. Remember, it's a KB against low attacks and any down pokes which means even D1s. And DB4 dodges them all as well so they can't even hit her out. They have to respect her even at that range which means there's a potential to steal turns and even for the throw/S4/D1/D4/B2 mix ups.
 
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abyson

Noob
Zviko said:
DB4 is actually the reason I believe V1 is not that bad up close just because of that DB4 KB fear. Remember, it's a KB against low attacks and any down pokes which means even D1s. And DB4 dodges them all as well so they can't even hit her out. They have to respect her even at that range which means there's a potential to steal turns and even for the throw/S4/D1/D4/B2 mix ups.
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but its full combo punishable
 
Agilaz

Agilaz

It has begun
While I kinda like v3, I'm thinking she's not for me. So many characters have easy ways in, or fast mids, or great pokes, playing against any of them feels like a chore.

Not to mention all the times I have seen people jump clean through a F2 swing. Like dude, MY ENTIRE WEAPON JUST CLIPPED YOUR BODY. Come on.

Sorry, F4 and Scream KB aren't enough to make me put up with her terrible frames on everything.
 
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abyson

Noob
I understand this reasoning its what I thought too and probably still think her v3 is the reason Im still trying to improve with her because its quite reliable the others seem matchup dependent
 
Queen Sindel

Queen Sindel

Divine Enlightenment
Here is my thoghts on Sindel v1.


So far I tried only v1, and the feeling to land these amazing combos is unbelievable.
But all the rest of Sindel v1 are not that great.


Its surpisingly that NRS decided not to give any default projectile to Sindel. No projectile in mk11? That is weird and tradegy for a character.
Well, ok, no projectiles. Maybe then tools to reduce distance with opponet? Again no. Why NRS? DB4 ? well, its definetly not enough. And unsafe.

Levitation is useles, it even catches high projectiles. A tried it in fight with Sonya, Jade, Kitana...sad story... I think original concept of levitaion was diferent, but NRS was afraid to make imbalance character, and they nerfed it. Overwise, how to explane uselness of this move?

Strings are slow and full of holes. I am bad player, but i never got panished while doing strings as with Sindel. Damn! she is a Queen, and they made her weak...

It seems i have to force myself to forget that feeling of Sindel combos in v1, and try v3...
 
Kiss the Missile

Kiss the Missile

Red Messiah
Yeah Levitation is just as useless as I was afraid it was going to be. Not even the Abilities you can add to it make it any good since she can't instantly use them out of Levitate. You have to wait till her ass flies all the way to the top of the screen before she can use those moves.
 
Hellbringer

Hellbringer

1 2 3 drink
Kiss the Missile said:
Yeah Levitation is just as useless as I was afraid it was going to be. Not even the Abilities you can add to it make it any good since she can't instantly use them out of Levitate. You have to wait till her ass flies all the way to the top of the screen before she can use those moves.
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Im not saying levitate is good but cancelling string into levitate and insta cancelling levitate can give some good mindgames. Together with her cancels in v1 its not that useless as ppl think.
 
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